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Jesus Wept

YES ON ONE claims a victory for the "little guy," according to Marc Mutty, public affairs director for the Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland.

The rest of the story here. (That's here: http://www.bangordailynews.com/detail/128048.html)

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What is even more depressing is the attitude in the replies -- "Don't like it? Leave Maine!" I wonder what their feelings would have been if the other side had 51% and told the 'yes' folk to "like it or get out", I bet they would have been moaning about "only 50% turnout" and "all the non-voters support us" and "we'll keep trying until we win" (seen it often enough as "the lurkers support me in email").

Yes, the Roman Catholic Church is an oppressed minority, and they've won a great victory… for making sure those second-class citizens remain so. Bastion of morality my ass.

-- Brian out --

I am so sorry to hear that. What a blow to civil rights.

The Catholics and the Mormons finally found a reason to work together - they both can't stand gay marriage.

It tells me who is right when I see who is willing to get into bed together to prevent a minority from sharing in the rights of a majority.

They're scared. Notice just how close it came to being popularly supported. This has got to scare them witless. What a commentary on the change in society and their lack of current relevance.

In the "my state is worse than yours" competition I offer up Virginia. We not only lost the battle to bigotry in our infamous constitutional question 1 earlier , we now have Ken "Kook" Cuccinelli as Attorney General. He has specifically stated that he plans to use the office of Attorney General to enforce laws thst promulgate his social agenda (guess what THAT is!) and wants to make that his life mission. The incoming Republican administration is going to run us into the financial ditch again, just like the previous Republican administration did and to make it worse, they'll be handing out burkkas to all the women. I am beyond depressed!

Anne

Have you seen the Dan Savage talk about gay marriage on youtube? It's depressing and hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWAfnsSOMV8&feature=player_embedded is the link.

I fear the rebound has started. We got Obama, and the hate-mongers are furious and up in arms.

Hum -- given that they have linked the marriage laws and religious freedom, what are the chances of getting the ACLU to file suit to repeal ALL marriage laws as violations of the separation of church and state? After all, if you claim that the government is meddling in religion, then... I wonder how they would feel if the government was forced by the Supreme Court to quit meddling in any kind of marriage?

It's interesting to me that those same voters voted to increase access to "the evil weed." I would have thought they'd shoot that down, too, as an afterthought.

"After Thought" would imply that they had a first thought.
If they thought about it at all, they would not be voting on basic human rights.

"Did you really think about it before you made the rules?"
Bruce Hornsby

I like the part that talks about the "little guy going up against the big guy, but we prevailed". My research shows that approximately 76% of U>S. citizens consider themselves Christian and 36% of New Englanders are Catholic. The best guess about the percentage of people in the general population who are gay is 10% (many argue it is less than that). So, who is the little guy in this equation?

Apathy – that is the problem. The majority of people in Maine are against same sex marriage. But they were so sure it would never be made into law – so they did not vote.

Which brought on the second vote to veto it – now the minority that lost thinks some big injustice has been done? Nope, the people spoke.

And the people are stupid. Now me, I am big time against the patriot act – huge blow against civil rights. But I am in the minority on that one. Like I said, people are stupid.

A victory for "the little guy?" And he's being serious, isn't he, wow.

And I'm hoping that we don't have to deal with the same stuff in Iowa. Y'know, I'm not sure I'm allowed to have a dog in this fight - we've been married less than 25 years. If it helps, my folks, married well over 50 years, have made it plain in many venues that they think everyone should get to experience the priveleges and pains of marriage.

As my mom said, "So two people of the same sex promising to love and care for one another debases my marriage, but the multiple infidelities before a messy divorce of the neighbors down the street doesn't?"

I lived in Germany for about 10 years. As I understood their system, a couple could choose to have a religious wedding service, but was required to have a civil service to be legally wed. That approach makes sense to me - and would, in my opinion, eliminate the church/state separation issue that currently exists.

The State's legimate interest in marriage (as I understand it) is because of taxes, transfer of property, custody of minor children, the right to make medical decisions for partners, and similar issues. All of those issues could be handled by a civil union - that would apply to EVERYONE, not just same-sex couples. Then couples who want one could have a religious service.

And as a side benefit, think of all the additional fees local governments could collect for performing all those civil ceremonies!

Mary

I wish people would realize that gay rights are about sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, cousins, grandkids, friends. Not some scary "other."

Not a victory for humanity though. I had such high hopes for the 21st century too.

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