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rolanni ([personal profile] rolanni) wrote2008-03-01 09:27 am
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The Leewit Needs Your Help

The Leewit is an Asus subcompact that weighs less than the book I'm reading at the moment. It has 1024 MB of memory and is running eee-PC 1.0 (which is based on the Linux flavor known as Xandros) on an Intel mobile processor. For ease of moving things between it and the desktop (still no wireless at the Confusion Factory; we're working on it, but it's 'waaaaay down the list and not moving up very fast due to the various necessary things that keep jumping line) -- anyhow. Because the Leewit has very little on-board memory, I bought it a 4-gig PNY SD card. The idea was to save everything I worked on to the card, then move the card to the desktop and download. Simple, easy, efficient.

Except. The desktop -- an HP Pavilion, call-name Altair, that I keep thinking of as "the new computer," though it's obviously not, since it's running XP version 2002 -- does not recognize something so heady and strange as a 4-gig card.

Now the Leewit, which can see and save to this card justfinethanks, informs me that it is looking at Partition One. Which gives rise to the notion that there Could Be a Partition Two and indeed a Partition Three, if I only knew how to partition SD cards in Linux. And! the thought further goes that, if the partitions are small enough and tasty, the desktop will be able to see them.

So, techie-types: Is the second assumption at all valid? And, if so, can someone walk me through the partitioning process?

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[personal profile] rosefox 2008-03-01 03:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I can't help; I just want to note how awesome it is that you named it the Leewit (not Leewit, the Leewit).

[identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 04:10 pm (UTC)(link)
I know far better than "Leewit." The Witches of Karres is one of my seminal books.

[identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 03:37 pm (UTC)(link)
I can see a couple of things which might be problems.

The worst is that Altair might be physically incapable of handling the the large card (hardware incompatibility). This could be solved with an add-on USB card reader.

It might be a driver problem with Altair's card driver. Is there a later version of the driver?

It might also be a file system format incompatibility. Assuming that the Asus has a command line available (xterm or the like) do 'mount' and see what it reports as the card's type. FAT or VFAT should be fine for any sysem, but anything else is probably incompatible. However, that shouldn't prevent it from recognising the card. What does Windows Disk Manager say (Control Panel / Administrative Tools / Computer Management | Disk Management)? If the card is recognised at all then DM should at least show the partitions even if it can't understand what's on them.

[identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 03:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm, my initial paragraph disappeared.

The partition size shouldn't be a problem for XP. As long as it's using FAT32 not FAT16 (FAT16 maximum size is 2GB). Windows Disk Manager (see previous comment) should show that if the card is recognised at all. Or in Linux do "sfdisk -l" which should show all of te partitions on all drives. (Oh, note that to do any of the fdisk variants on Linux you need to be root.)
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[personal profile] sraun 2008-03-01 04:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Given that she said 4GB SD, that means it's actually an SDHC card. I doubt the SDHC spec was even a gleam in someone's eye five years ago, let alone the couple of years before that that they were designing her Pavilion.

I'd recommend picking up an SDHC-capable USB card-reader - they can be had for $5-30, depending on how many other card formats you want them to read and how quickly you want it. IIRC, I got mine from an Amazon 3rd-party seller for about $7 including shipping, and it took less than a week to get to me.

[identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 05:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you for the pointer. It's good to know that the fix is so affordable.

[identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 04:13 pm (UTC)(link)
The worst is that Altair might be physically incapable of handling the the large card (hardware incompatibility).

I think this is what we're looking at. When I try to access the card through Windows Explorer, I get a message that says the drive cannot be accessed because of an I/O device error.

When I try Disk Manager, it just freezes up, as if the sight of the shadow in the doorway is enough to unman it.
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[identity profile] autopope.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 04:54 pm (UTC)(link)
You have a 4GB SD card. Is it an SDHC card, or a traditional old-fashioned SD card?

Original SD cards max out at 4Gb. SDHC is a new, non-backward-incompatible version that starts at 4Gb and maxes out with 32Gb cards. SDHC readers can read old SD cards, but SD card readers can't read SDHC cards.

The Eee has an SDHC slot, and your 4Gb card may very well be SDHC. But it's possible that if you HP is more than about 2 years old it won't play with SDHC at all. This is a hardware-level incompatability -- partitioning or reformatting won't help.

(The solution is a USB-to-SDHC card reader, which should cost you about $10. Or go on eBay and look for a shiny new 16Gb or 32Gb SDHC card -- the Eee will take them! -- that comes with a free USB reader.)
Edited 2008-03-01 16:54 (UTC)

[identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Is it an SDHC card, or a traditional old-fashioned SD card?

Yeah, I totally missed that the 4Gb card is SDHC and therefore not at all the same as the 2Gb SD card in my camera, only, yanno, bigger.

Or go on eBay and look for a shiny new 16Gb or 32Gb SDHC card -- the Eee will take them! -- that comes with a free USB reader.)

The man, he tempted me...

from one eee usr to another

[identity profile] masgramondou.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 05:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Methinks others have explicated the problem. You can verifiy whether you have a common or garden SD or a high faluting SDHC by looking at the card. SDHC one will have a
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Methinks others have explicated the problem. You can verifiy whether you have a common or garden SD or a high faluting SDHC by looking at the card. SDHC one will have a <a href"http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/transcend_16gb_sdhc_card/">logo like this one,</a>

PS this post written on another eee, currently unnamed. I just wish I'd thought of the Leeewit as a name.

PPS Although I have a (2Gb) flash card that can be shared between the eee and my big computer I also find USB flash drives work well. It depends what you are trying to copy but a 128MB or 256MB usb stick is enough for almost all the stuff I need to share.

from one eee usr to another

[identity profile] masgramondou.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 05:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Methinks others have explicated the problem. You can verifiy whether you have a common or garden SD or a high faluting SDHC by looking at the card. SDHC one will have a logo like this one (http://www.photographyblog.com/index.php/weblog/comments/transcend_16gb_sdhc_card/).

PS this post written on another eee, currently unnamed. I just wish I'd thought of the Leeewit as a name.

PPS Although I have a (2Gb) flash card that can be shared between the eee and my big computer I also find USB flash drives work well. It depends what you are trying to copy but a 128MB or 256MB usb stick is enough for almost all the stuff I need to share.

Re: from one eee usr to another

[identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com 2008-03-02 12:59 pm (UTC)(link)
I just wish I'd thought of the Leeewit as a name.

Well, I wish I would have thought of the third "e" in "the Leewit." Insufficient genius strikes again.

It depends what you are trying to copy but a 128MB or 256MB usb stick is enough for almost all the stuff I need to share.

I do have an ancient, but perfectly usable 128MB thumb drive which works fine for transferring files. The reason I want the card is that the Leewit does a fair amount of traveling -- and is slated to do more, as the year gets older -- and I want an on-board back-up that's not in peril. The card of course is flush to the machine, where the usb key sticks out.

Also, while what I'm mostly doing is transferring text files, I'm dealing with whole books at the moment, which means I may go back and fiddle with a few early chapters, meddle with the lexicon, write a new chapter -- even rename chapters -- so keeping track of what I've done to which gets a little gruesome in terms of saving to the key in the aftermath.

This is all, you perceive, in service of my Inner Sloth...

Re: Leewit Help

(Anonymous) 2008-03-01 05:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Burton from Montreal

I think your problem is the build-in card reader in the HP Pavilion "Altair". If it is the model with 4 memory card slots plus a USB port like most of the older HP/Compaq machines. The reader is limited to 2 GB capacity.(I asked HP/Compaq support about this). As someone mention earlier, get a standalone USB SDHC carder reader.

Or just get a regular 2GB SD memory card.

[identity profile] liveavatar.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 06:26 pm (UTC)(link)
Other people are doing a fine job of technical shepherding, so I'll content myself with thanking you for the shoutout to Schmitz. And for reminding me that used to be one of my favorite books -- time to reread it.

[identity profile] kimuro.livejournal.com 2008-03-01 09:35 pm (UTC)(link)
Not to be rude or anything, but you could have known that naming anything "The Leewit" was going to make it difficult and demanding.

[identity profile] anisosynchronic.livejournal.com 2008-03-06 04:44 pm (UTC)(link)
What was the line about The Leewit having an extensive set of whistles which broke things?!