You know, there are some schools of literary criticism that hold that the intent of the creator is less important than the interpretations of the readers in considering the work.
No, the beginning segment of Crystal Dragon hints at a history of enslavement and mental and emotional abuse and manipulation. Or am I reading too much into that?
heck, I'm just amused. Perhaps, being one of the few 'vanillas' in my circle of renfaire, alternative lifestyle, actor, 'artistic-type', or geek friends means that I'm used to such intrepretations of things I wouldn't see that way....
Reminds me of the critic I read in my Junior year (HS) English Lit class . . . . one Cecil Rhodes -ruined one of my favorite books for me - The adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain -.
According to Cecil, Huck and Jim had a homosexual relationship . . . . now don't get me wrong I have no problem with homosexuality or gay folk in any guise but I mean, Dayamn!!!!
Ever since then Ive stayed as far away from Literary Crit classes/circles as I could.
Do you think this kind of discussion might result in a rating revision? Just wondering, since rolanni seemed to imply that might be desirable on her part;-))
Well, if I can find Anne Rice's BDSM Beauty series in the Childrens section of the bookstore (yes, I informed a staff member to move it immediately), then I suppose finding Liaden novels in the adult section isn't beyond the realm of possibility...
Well, if I can find Anne Rice's BDSM Beauty series in the Childrens section of the bookstore
Having read that series that's scary - of course there's lots of times I'm tempted to go back to working in a bookstore because I see this kinda stuff FAR too often and want to fix it. But then I want to go work at a craft store as well so that someone works there who actually is familar with crafts...
Nope, read the book again and not only do I still not get it, still can't see how anyone else would. Unless they are simply counting the number of times the word submissive is used and thinking "x times MUST mean it's about D/s"
Unless they are simply counting the number of times the word submissive is used...
Many things would have been much easier, had Rool Tiazan's Lady accepted a name. No amount of cajoling or threat would sway her, however (as you might imagine). Names were for slaves; end of discussion.
And so we were sorta stuck with mentioning submissive and dominant ...kind of often. I wish I could have come up with a short, pithy, instantly recognizable descriptor for that relationship that wouldn't have confused the More Easily Confused among us, but -- failure of auctorial imagination. Sigh. It happens...
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Date: 2007-06-26 01:19 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-06-26 01:22 pm (UTC)Ok, I have to ask -- how many times have you been asked that question?
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Date: 2007-06-26 06:03 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-06-26 01:24 pm (UTC)Readers and the subconscious and assumed subtexts.
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Date: 2007-06-26 01:38 pm (UTC)Uh, yeah. Not an assumption I would have made, but...
My brain has now gone to a very bizarre place of a Liaden D/s subculture... it would be *very* pretty, but, oh! so formal!
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Date: 2007-06-26 01:54 pm (UTC)Just sayin'. :)
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Date: 2007-06-26 01:55 pm (UTC)... wow.
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Date: 2007-06-26 02:08 pm (UTC)wait....
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Date: 2007-06-26 04:20 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-06-26 05:12 pm (UTC)Okay, that was incredibly surreal; I just had this mental image of Anthony Hopkins saying that line as Hannibal Lecter rather than Zorro. (
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Date: 2007-06-28 01:17 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-06-26 03:13 pm (UTC)o_O
There are no words for this level of OMGWTF.
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Date: 2007-06-26 03:56 pm (UTC)Perhaps, being one of the few 'vanillas' in my circle of renfaire, alternative lifestyle, actor, 'artistic-type', or geek friends means that I'm used to such intrepretations of things I wouldn't see that way....
Well OTOH
Date: 2007-06-26 05:22 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-06-26 05:32 pm (UTC)Reminds me of the critic I read in my Junior year (HS) English Lit class . . . .
one Cecil Rhodes -ruined one of my favorite books for me - The adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain -.
According to Cecil, Huck and Jim had a homosexual relationship . . . . now don't get me wrong I have no problem with homosexuality or gay folk in any guise but I mean, Dayamn!!!!
Ever since then Ive stayed as far away from Literary Crit classes/circles as I could.
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Date: 2007-06-26 05:59 pm (UTC)Darn...
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Date: 2007-06-26 06:07 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2007-06-26 07:51 pm (UTC)OTOH, it reads as though she followed all the correct proto-calls for selecting a submissive; but instead of her choosing, the ENTITY chose HER
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Date: 2007-06-27 12:06 am (UTC)But the submissive is the one who usually chooses, didn't you know?
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Date: 2007-06-28 03:10 pm (UTC)One might expect the first step would raise some question?
Date: 2007-06-27 04:19 am (UTC)Step one. Build the organism.
Step two. Invest it with life.
Nah, that's not the place most of us start.
Lose G rating?
Date: 2007-06-27 12:43 pm (UTC)Barbara Karpel, A Baltimore Friend
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Date: 2007-06-28 06:10 am (UTC)Re: Lose G rating?
Date: 2007-06-28 01:22 pm (UTC)Having read that series that's scary - of course there's lots of times I'm tempted to go back to working in a bookstore because I see this kinda stuff FAR too often and want to fix it. But then I want to go work at a craft store as well so that someone works there who actually is familar with crafts...
Re: Lose G rating?
Date: 2007-07-02 03:31 am (UTC)Those who can, do. Those who can't, sell to those who can.
Now if we can work in Bradbury's 90% rule somehow :-)
My imagination must not be that good
Date: 2007-07-02 01:02 pm (UTC)Re: My imagination must not be that good
Date: 2007-07-02 03:02 pm (UTC)Many things would have been much easier, had Rool Tiazan's Lady accepted a name. No amount of cajoling or threat would sway her, however (as you might imagine). Names were for slaves; end of discussion.
And so we were sorta stuck with mentioning submissive and dominant ...kind of often. I wish I could have come up with a short, pithy, instantly recognizable descriptor for that relationship that wouldn't have confused the More Easily Confused among us, but -- failure of auctorial imagination. Sigh. It happens...