PSA

Tuesday, June 26th, 2007 09:07 am
rolanni: (Caution: Writing Ahead)
[personal profile] rolanni
The beginning segment of Crystal Dragon is not meant to be a how-to guide on choosing a submissive.

Thank you. We now return you to your regularly scheduled LJ.

Date: 2007-06-26 01:19 pm (UTC)
havocthecat: the lady of shalott (shego facepalm)
From: [personal profile] havocthecat
I would ask if you're kidding, but I don't want to know the answer.

Date: 2007-06-26 01:22 pm (UTC)
reedrover: (Mythbusters Reality - white)
From: [personal profile] reedrover
::blinkblink:: Right.

Ok, I have to ask -- how many times have you been asked that question?

Date: 2007-06-26 06:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oberon.livejournal.com
Probably less than John Ringo has :>

Date: 2007-06-26 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
Ah, yes...

Readers and the subconscious and assumed subtexts.

Date: 2007-06-26 01:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jennifer-dunne.livejournal.com
Blink. Blink-blink.
Uh, yeah. Not an assumption I would have made, but...

My brain has now gone to a very bizarre place of a Liaden D/s subculture... it would be *very* pretty, but, oh! so formal!

Date: 2007-06-26 03:56 pm (UTC)
reedrover: (Goldie pbhttt)
From: [personal profile] reedrover
I cannot begin to imagine the modes of address and language that would have to be evolved with that.

Date: 2007-06-26 04:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] magda-vogelsang.livejournal.com
Gives new meaning to the term 'melanti play'.

Date: 2007-06-28 01:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
Perhaps we should go back and read that story about waterballoons again. What was the theme again?

Date: 2007-06-26 01:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] robotech-master.livejournal.com
You know, there are some schools of literary criticism that hold that the intent of the creator is less important than the interpretations of the readers in considering the work.

Just sayin'. :)

Date: 2007-06-26 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sleary.livejournal.com
...

... wow.

Date: 2007-06-26 02:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orlacarey.livejournal.com
Apparently it's time for me to go back and re-read Crystal Dragon. I KNOW I didn't get that from it.

Date: 2007-06-26 02:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jessara40k.livejournal.com
No, the beginning segment of Crystal Dragon hints at a history of enslavement and mental and emotional abuse and manipulation. Or am I reading too much into that?

Date: 2007-06-26 02:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinzel.livejournal.com
When the submissive is ready, the master will appear...
wait....

Date: 2007-06-26 04:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klingonguy.livejournal.com
You, sir, are spending too much time in SL.

Date: 2007-06-26 05:12 pm (UTC)
djonn: Self-portrait, May 2025 (Default)
From: [personal profile] djonn
[blink]

Okay, that was incredibly surreal; I just had this mental image of Anthony Hopkins saying that line as Hannibal Lecter rather than Zorro. (

Date: 2007-06-28 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orlacarey.livejournal.com
You are just wrong - I like that.

Date: 2007-06-26 03:13 pm (UTC)
elbales: (WTF parka)
From: [personal profile] elbales
O_o
o_O

There are no words for this level of OMGWTF.

Date: 2007-06-26 03:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenmaggie.livejournal.com
heck, I'm just amused.
Perhaps, being one of the few 'vanillas' in my circle of renfaire, alternative lifestyle, actor, 'artistic-type', or geek friends means that I'm used to such intrepretations of things I wouldn't see that way....

Well OTOH

Date: 2007-06-26 05:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] voicefromshadow.livejournal.com
The Beginning of COH is definately a primer on how NOT to go about it...

Date: 2007-06-26 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] origamilady.livejournal.com
Uhmmm uh yeah, sure . . . . .

Reminds me of the critic I read in my Junior year (HS) English Lit class . . . .
one Cecil Rhodes -ruined one of my favorite books for me - The adventures of Huckleberry Finn by Mark Twain -.

According to Cecil, Huck and Jim had a homosexual relationship . . . . now don't get me wrong I have no problem with homosexuality or gay folk in any guise but I mean, Dayamn!!!!

Ever since then Ive stayed as far away from Literary Crit classes/circles as I could.


Date: 2007-06-26 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mardott.livejournal.com
Wait. It's not?

Darn...

Date: 2007-06-26 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oberon.livejournal.com
What tickles me is that everyone who left a comment here knew what you meant.

Date: 2007-06-26 07:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] baggette.livejournal.com
Well, if they didn't know, they probably wouldn't comment.


OTOH, it reads as though she followed all the correct proto-calls for selecting a submissive; but instead of her choosing, the ENTITY chose HER

Date: 2007-06-27 12:06 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paw3pals.livejournal.com
OTOH, it reads as though she followed all the correct proto-calls for selecting a submissive; but instead of her choosing, the ENTITY chose HER

But the submissive is the one who usually chooses, didn't you know?

Date: 2007-06-28 03:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oberon.livejournal.com
If they didn't know they wouldn't comment? Have you seen the internet lately? :>
From: [identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
After all, construct a biological container isn't the first step in most of the guides to relationships that I'm familiar with.

Step one. Build the organism.
Step two. Invest it with life.

Nah, that's not the place most of us start.

Lose G rating?

Date: 2007-06-27 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Do you think this kind of discussion might result in a rating revision? Just wondering, since rolanni seemed to imply that might be desirable on her part;-))

Barbara Karpel, A Baltimore Friend

Re: Lose G rating?

Date: 2007-06-28 06:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pimpcook.livejournal.com
Well, if I can find Anne Rice's BDSM Beauty series in the Childrens section of the bookstore (yes, I informed a staff member to move it immediately), then I suppose finding Liaden novels in the adult section isn't beyond the realm of possibility...

Re: Lose G rating?

Date: 2007-06-28 01:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orlacarey.livejournal.com
Well, if I can find Anne Rice's BDSM Beauty series in the Childrens section of the bookstore

Having read that series that's scary - of course there's lots of times I'm tempted to go back to working in a bookstore because I see this kinda stuff FAR too often and want to fix it. But then I want to go work at a craft store as well so that someone works there who actually is familar with crafts...

Re: Lose G rating?

Date: 2007-07-02 03:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mbarker.livejournal.com
Maybe we should revise the saying?

Those who can, do. Those who can't, sell to those who can.

Now if we can work in Bradbury's 90% rule somehow :-)

My imagination must not be that good

Date: 2007-07-02 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orlacarey.livejournal.com
Nope, read the book again and not only do I still not get it, still can't see how anyone else would. Unless they are simply counting the number of times the word submissive is used and thinking "x times MUST mean it's about D/s"

Re: My imagination must not be that good

Date: 2007-07-02 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Unless they are simply counting the number of times the word submissive is used...

Many things would have been much easier, had Rool Tiazan's Lady accepted a name. No amount of cajoling or threat would sway her, however (as you might imagine). Names were for slaves; end of discussion.

And so we were sorta stuck with mentioning submissive and dominant ...kind of often. I wish I could have come up with a short, pithy, instantly recognizable descriptor for that relationship that wouldn't have confused the More Easily Confused among us, but -- failure of auctorial imagination. Sigh. It happens...

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