The case for jewel-toned eyes

[rolanni]

Somewhere around the blogosphere lately, I came across a statement to the effect that a character with jewel-toned eyes must fall under suspicion of being a Mary Sue. People, after all, don't really have violet eyes, nor emerald, and therefore writers should give over already pretending that they do.

To which I reply: Hooey.

I'm in the business of telling lies, for Thing One. If I tell you that Er Thom yos'Galan, for a handy example, has purple eyes, my job is to convince you that this is so. And I Swear To You that Er Thom is not a Mary Sue.

For Thing Two, it seems to me that we are impoverishing the language, if we insist that Sally has brown eyes, and Jon has brown eyes, and Clara has brown eyes and -- Wait, wait! Sally's eyes are more yellow than brown -- may I say that they are amber-colored? Just to, yanno, distinguish her eyes from Jon's, which have a slight red tinge to them, like a mud puddle that's been agitated by a sudden rain shower. And Clara's eyes -- they're so brown, they're almost black. And then there's Julie, who has silver eyes -- not grey; silver, with a dark ring around the iris. And Sam, who's got grey eyes, too, but steel-colored, really, not like Julie's at all...

People -- and characters -- are unique. Why not use descriptors that celebrate their uniqueness?

So, anyway.

Today, there was cereal for breakfast, and afterward vacuuming, more laundry, and fish and potato salad for supper. Very soon now, it will be time for dinner, and! Tomorrow is Monday.

Progress on Mouse and Dragon

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Comments

[growlycub.livejournal.com]

And did you also come across the part where violet eyes indicate highly desirable sexual beings and red eyes are reserved for creepy villains?

[brownkitty.livejournal.com]

We tourmaline-eyed people thank you :)

Is poetic language indeed dead, then?

[wdonohue.livejournal.com]

A friend of mine has steel gray eyes that turn deep blue with gold flecks when her pupils dilate. How do describe that with ordinary language? Oh, and see John Scalzi's post on being accused of Mary Sue-ing: http://tinyurl.com/brekcg

-- Brian out --

[jilltanith.livejournal.com]

Besides, isn't Elizabeth Taylor famous for her violet eyes?

[kalimeg.livejournal.com]

Some people don't have a clue what "Mary Sue" means -- they just know it's a criticism. This sort of remark reveals the speaker to be especially clueless.

[6-penny.livejournal.com]

I definitely knew someone with EMERALD green eyes, and the most gorgeous eyelashes imaginable - Of the male persuasion, which was damnably unfair.

[keristor.livejournal.com]

Gah, that sort of criticism goes with the "never use adverbs" which some writers (naming no names, but a certain Horror writer with a royal surname springs to mind) try to push. Oh, and together with certain forms of Political Correctness which not only ban ever mentioning any differences of coloured skin but also want to ban the actual words for colour (nope, can't call then blackbirds any more!).

In re. the eyes, those people have probably never looked at the eyes of real people. Or they are colour-blind...

And in re. the "Mary Sue" accusation, I suspect that they have no idea what a "Mary Sue" story is. It's specifically for stories where the author inserts themself as a thinly disguised main character as 'wish-fulfillment' ("Oh, I really want to meet Spock, I'll write a story in which I meet him and change my name to something generic"), nothing to do with over-use of inaccurate adjectives (which has afflicted some professional writers no one ever accused of being "Mary Sue").

Ooh! Just noticed a progress meter for "Mouse and Dragon"! Yay!

[(Anonymous)]

SO it's OK for Alfred Hitchcock to have appeared in his movies, but not OK for authors to do the same?

Cathy C

[scaleslea.livejournal.com]

It is OK for Alfred Hitchcock to appear in his own movies. It is not OK for him to create an unauthorized sequel to someone ELSE's movie and insert himself as a new main character that is smarter/stronger/faster/prettier/sexier/more more more better than every other character from the original storyline.

Mary Sue stories are typically fan-fiction.

It is OK to want to be the princess at the ball. It is OK to throw your own ball just so you can be the princess. But it is just stupid to crash someone else's ball and demand they hand over the tiara.

Doc

[keristor.livejournal.com]

Not all Mary Sue fiction is in other people's universes (and definitely not all is unauthorised). But you are right that it is about the prominence of the part, a Mary Sue story has that character as very prominent, the "lead character" who is sickeningly better than any others in the story (especially of the same gender) whereas Hitchcock played 'cameo' parts well below the lead in importance.

[otaku-tetsuko.livejournal.com]

Gah. I had my short story rejected by an editor who really couldn't get it - she insisted that hawks don't stoop, they swoop. And she couldn't imagine "eyes the honey-color of highly-polished oak." I wanted to hit her, very hard. And she was at one of the two larger SF/F rags, too. Sigh.

[norilanabooks.livejournal.com]

Great post! I am rather sick of the terror of Mary Sues that's spun so out of control that it managed to kill or stomp out sparks of verbal poetry in so many writers working today.

[(Anonymous)]

Another aspect of this - you tend to notice the the special color of someone's eyes when you care about them. A lover, a good friend, someone you admire - their eyes might be amber, silver or emerald colored or blue streaked with gold. A casual acquaintance might not remember the color of their eyes.

I want to care about characters in the books I read. If it helps that the authors describe them in a way that means "you found this person interesting" - great! If good descriptions help readers think of this person as more interesting, or suggest something about their character, great!

If I don't care about the characters, I stop reading the book(s). No matter how expert the author, no matter how good their previous works might have been. No matter if I've already bought the 3rd book in the series - I've had two recent cases where I realized 10 pages into the 3rd book that I really didn't care to read the rest. For one, I checked the ending, then dropped it at the library. For the other, I just got rid of it and its predecessors.

B. O'Brien

[shaenon.livejournal.com]

Really, you just shouldn't waste space describing the colors of your characters' eyes. It's not necessary unless it's something the point-of-view character would specifically notice.

Jewel tones are a particularly bad choice because a) they're cliche and b) they don't actually tell the reader anything that a simpler color word wouldn't. "Emerald" isn't any more descriptive than "green," so say "green." "Topaz" sounds prettier than "brown," but it's still just brown.

[rolanni.livejournal.com]

Actually, it's a pity to use up any words at all for fiction, which Isn't True, and must therefore be seen as a corrupter of youth, a waste of our limited time upon this planet, and a source of Suspect Ideas.

[jennifer-dunne.livejournal.com]

Not really. After all, why say "elm" or "birch" or "oak" instead of "tree", since that's all they really are? Because the elm is graceful, slender, swaying in the wind, the birch is brilliant white against a backdrop of brown, and the oak is sturdy and stalwart. Three entirely different types of trees, with three entirely different connotations.

Emerald is a particular shade of green, notable for the brightness and clarity. This is distinct from moss green, hazel, or blue-green. To reduce all of them to "green" renders the color generic and devoid of subtlety and meaning.

[shaenon.livejournal.com]

The thing is that you, the reader, and the characters are likely to know what oak, elm, and birch look like and roughly how they're different from each other. (Daniel Pinkwater has a great essay about how, as a youngster, he was impressed by a scene in a movie or book where a character says that to become a good writer you have to know the names of all the trees, so he went out and did that. Only much later in life did he conclude that, although it's gratifying to be able to identify trees, it's not actually very useful in writing.) "Emerald" isn't any more descriptive than "green" except to people who work with gems, and they'd specify which type of emerald.

And, again, jewel tones for eyes are cliche. The problem isn't that they're associated with Mary Sues (unless you're talking about Agate Eyes Flecked with Purest Silver which Change to Star Sapphire in the Moonlight); it's that both Mary Sues and jewel-colored eyes are associated with amateurish writing. If you said a character had eyes the color of the sour-apple shampoo on my bathroom windowsill, that would at least be interesting. Emeralds, not so much.

But even then, why am I hearing about the character's eyes? Unless it's a plot point or something the point-of-view character would notice, it's not important. What color are Elizabeth Bennett's eyes? Hell, what does Elizabeth Bennett look like at all? Jane Austen provides no physical description except for her age and the fact that she's passably attractive, because these points are relevant to the story (since the plot hinges on the Bennett sisters' chances of landing a husband before their father kicks the bucket and leaves them destitute). Beyond that, Elizabeth doesn't care about her looks, and the narrator doesn't care about her looks, so it doesn't come up.

[rolanni.livejournal.com]

it's that both Mary Sues and jewel-colored eyes are associated with amateurish writing.

Anything, if done badly enough, can be associated with amateurish writing.

As it happens, we here in the Liaden Universe(R) don't actually do that much character description. We do some, because -- the Sainted Jane aside -- readers do kinda want to know what a character looks like. And, just as anything can be done badly, anything can be done right.

Just saying that, "This is a cliche. Don't Ever Do It." ignores the possibility of wringing excellence from the ordinary.

Saying that "brown" is the same as "topaz" ignores the fact that "topaz" is a prettier word, and may fit the rhythm of a particular sentence better than "brown" ever will, no matter how true.

[brownkitty.livejournal.com]

If you feel that way, then that's how you should write and what you should read. Most of good story telling, from what I've seen, is in the details.

Your writer's toolkit won't work for everyone, and not everyone's will work for you. Your reading preferences are yours, and because mine don't match yours exactly doesn't make either yours or mine invalid.

[jennifer-dunne.livejournal.com]

Actually, I always figured the purple eyes were a recessive trait, and thus indicative of a cluster of other recessive traits, which included mad piloting skills.