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[personal profile] rolanni
I know you guys have this stuff cold; feel free to skip the following post. I'm just going to be recapping briefly, to relieve my own feelings.

1. Agents are not the enemy of writers. No, really, they're not. Also, you can too sell a book without an agent's assistance. We've done it both ways. I can and will say that it's easier and somewhat likelier to produce a contract more advantageous to the writer if you have the assistance of an agent.

1a. Agents are not the folks who decided that (certain) publishers would only accept agented submissions, thus setting themselves up as the "gatekeepers" of publishing. Publishing houses decided that receiving "pre-screened" submissions would be less work for them.

2. Publishers exist to make money. It can be argued that they chose an odd way to go about doing that, but money's at the base of the industry. Publishing houses don't care if their current best seller is Tripe or True Literature; they care about how much money it's making for the house.

3. Neither publishing houses, nor editors, nor agents, nor God Herself can take your art away from you. You can repudiate your art; allow it to founder in ugliness, ignorance, and spite; throw it away, or try to warp it into something it's not, but no outside agency can wrest it from you.

3a. Writing a book is art. Publishing a book is business. The two are different.

4. Just because you've written a book does not mean you are a Special, Elevated Being who is entitled to...anything. Lots of people write books. Heck, lots of people write lots of books. If you've written a book, that's nice. It shows you have focus.

5. Nobody in the book industry -- that's the business part -- has anything to gain and money to lose by "suppressing" wonderful books that millions are slavering to read.

5a. If you've written a book that millions are not slavering to read -- as most of us have, and do, depressingly often -- then it might be that your book will never get published.

5b. It's OK to feel sad about this.

5c. It doesn't mean that there's a Nefarious Plot Against New Writers or that the World is Out to Get You. Or at least, it doesn't mean that the World is Out to Get You any more than it's out to get the grad student, say, who lives next door, or the secretary who lives upstairs.

6. Yelling on the internet about how Publishing is Unfair? Is more likely to get you mockery than sympathy.

Date: 2009-04-20 04:07 pm (UTC)
reedrover: (Default)
From: [personal profile] reedrover
Thank you!

Date: 2009-04-20 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
But the World _is_ Out to Get Me . . .

Date: 2009-04-20 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
But the World _is_ Out to Get Me . . .

Me, too. But it's not because we're writers. It's because the World is Out to Get Us.

Date: 2009-04-20 04:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
All of us. No one gets out of here alive. To quote Jim Morrison.

Date: 2009-04-20 04:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aspidites.livejournal.com
I would like to believe that anyone gauche and clueless enough to rail on the 'net that Publishing is Unfair and it's all an Establishment Plot to keep new writers from getting their Brilliant New Novels out to the world is Very Young... sadly, this is probably not true.

(I have No Idea where all the Capital Letters came from...;-)

Date: 2009-04-20 05:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
Well, in my case "Very Young" would be considerably out of date . . .

Date: 2009-04-20 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you.

Wonderful post. Where's the kerfuffle this week?

Date: 2009-04-20 04:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Long, LONG Post Warning.

The Talent Killers: How literary agents are destroying literature, and what publishers can do to stop them (http://maryww.wordpress.com/2009/04/14/the-talent-killers-how-literary-agents-are-destroying-literature-and-what-publishers-can-do-to-stop-them/)

Date: 2009-04-20 04:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pbray.livejournal.com
Wow. *shakes head in disbelief*

Date: 2009-04-20 05:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kk1raven.livejournal.com
She's got a big chip on her shoulder, doesn't she?

Date: 2009-04-20 05:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Oh lord.

Thank you, I think. I see somebody Does Not Get It, though many of her commenters certainly do.

Didn't bother to comment there, but observing here:

If agents are so awful, why doesn't she simply bypass them? There are all sorts of ways to do that.

Seriously, if her book is that wonderful, it will find a way. And, eventually, a publisher.

Date: 2009-04-20 05:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jane-barfly.livejournal.com
My. Goodness. Gracious.

Korval shield

Date: 2009-04-20 05:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hapaxnym.livejournal.com
Totally hi-jacking the thread (because a) I am a Bad Person and b) I'm hoping somebody who hangs out here has a Useful Suggestion):

I want to make a cross-stitch pattern of Korval's Tree and Dragon shield as a gift. If nobody is selling such a thing, it would be easy to use a pattern-making program *if* I can find a large, clean, preferably jpeg image to scan. The ones at the CafePress site are too fuzzy and small to work well. Anybody happen to know where I can find such a thing?

Second, since I believe in copyright like I believe in sunshine, kittens, and good coffee, who and how do I recompense for use of the design?

Re: Korval shield

Date: 2009-04-20 06:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nephir.livejournal.com
and if there were such a thing available for others to purchase, that would be nifty -- I love a good cross stich pattern to break up the knitting I'm currently working on.

Re: Korval shield

Date: 2009-04-21 05:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] paw3pals.livejournal.com
Yes, I would buy a cross-stitch pattern of The Tree and Dragon, but would probably do a counted needlepoint. I can already see the metallic and filament colors in the dragon.

Re: Korval shield

Date: 2009-04-20 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Let me consult with my co-conspirator.

Date: 2009-04-20 06:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nephir.livejournal.com
*stands up and cheers* Thank you...thank you.... thank you. I need to forward this to a few friends (with your permission kind Lady) who feel that the 'publishing industry' are trying to keep them from being published.

Date: 2009-04-20 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
I need to forward this to a few friends (with your permission kind Lady)

Permission granted, with attribute, so they know who to get mad at.

Date: 2009-04-20 06:28 pm (UTC)
elbales: (Kidding!Nine)
From: [personal profile] elbales
My word. (No pun intended.) I couldn't even get through the initial essay. Skimming the comments was interesting, though.
disassembly_rsn: Run over by a UFO (Default)
From: [personal profile] disassembly_rsn
[livejournal.com profile] james_nicoll has a poll on a possibly related topic:

Which secretive cabal do you feel is preventing you from attaining your justly earned publication and subsequent wealth and fame?

http://james-nicoll.livejournal.com/1746210.html

Hee, thanks!

Date: 2009-04-21 12:22 am (UTC)
elbales: (Cheetah laughing hysterically)
From: [personal profile] elbales
The best quote I've seen in the comments so far comes from [Unknown site tag]:

All of my speculative fiction centers on how software will behave. And I get published and paid for it.

Sadly, we call this tech writing.

Re: Hee, thanks!

Date: 2009-04-21 02:02 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, MAN. I just shrieked with laughter so loud the dog glared at me.

Somehow you reminded me so much of my old Integrated Test Plans - and the hilarity which ensued when they actually met the software they were supposed to test.

Lauretta@Constellation Books (and former test engineer for the Hubble)

Re: Hee, thanks!

Date: 2009-04-21 10:52 pm (UTC)
disassembly_rsn: Run over by a UFO (Default)
From: [personal profile] disassembly_rsn
Personally, I favour the 2005 quote from Pterry to a writer of software manuals a little further down the thread: "Oh, so you write *real* fantasy."

Re: Hee, thanks!

Date: 2009-04-21 04:40 pm (UTC)
elbales: (Facepalm - Holy Grail)
From: [personal profile] elbales
Woops, that should have been [livejournal.com profile] wiredferret. Not sure what happened there.

Date: 2009-04-21 01:33 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] simianpower.livejournal.com
Having been a grad student for many long years, I can attest that even if the world wasn't out to get me, evil professors were, which in the small world of academia is much the same thing. :)

Date: 2009-04-21 01:41 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Oh, if only there was.

Two certain books with sequels and associated movies / TV shows would never have been published and I could avoid the future "really it's nothing personal different tastes I just can't read it" conversations.

Tricia

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