rolanni: (Sharon with 10 Liaden Universe Books)
[personal profile] rolanni
Steve and I have been collaborating for a long time -- seventeen novels, mumblemumble short stories; 25 years. Yeah, any of those qualifies as "a long time."

Our first collaborative story was "The Naming of Kinzel" -- which later became "The Naming of Kinzel: The Innocent" -- and it was an accident.

How, you wonder, can a collaboration be an accident?

Well, it went like this...

Steve and I were both in what we call the Opportunity Pool -- that happy place where, unencumbered by the strictures of a day-job, all opportunities are equally open to one. Which is to say, we were both "out of work," as the saying goes.

I was working on a story about a wizard's apprentice named Kinzel, who had just been Summoned by his Master to the tower workroom, in terms that left no doubt that said Master was none-too-pleased with his 'prentice. Kinzel was on his way up the stairs, puffing, because he was rather a portly lad, the Summons at his heels, when --

The phone rang.

It was the temp agency I was registered with, calling with the joyous tidings of a secretarial job at a law firm.

Next morning, quivering with joy, I rose at an Unghodly Hour(tm), dressed in my day-job clothes, and caught the bus into Baltimore City, leaving Steve home alone with three-quarters of a page of story still stuck in my typewriter and Kinzel frozen in mid-leap between one stair and the next.

The lawyers I was assigned to work for were brats (I learned during the course of the day that the firm had stopped hiring real legal secretaries for the pair of them, because they chewed the poor women up and spat them out in regular two week cycles); I came home exhausted and quivering not so much with the joy, but still on for the next day. I drank a glass of wine, had supper with Steve, had maybe another glass of wine and fell into my bed without once looking at poor Kinzel, still stranded on his stairway.

The next day was a repeat of the first. Against all odds, I was employed for the next day, and Kinzel was still stuck on his stair.

The third day. On the third day, Steve snapped.

He had reading and re-reading this same story-bit for three days; he'd been thinking about the character and the character's dilemma and what I had said about the character and his further travails, and, well --

He called me at work. He said, "You know that story you're working on? The one about the wizard's apprentice?"

"Yeeesss," I said warily.

"I think I know where it goes," he said, equally wary. "Could I...finish it?"

I thought about it. I thought about it long and hard. I knew he was interested in the story; he'd been asking me questions about it and where I saw it going and about Kinzel's background and the world he lived in, and, well, dern it, I wanted the story to move on, too -- and you know Kinzel was beyond sick to death of that damn stairway.

So, I said, "OK." Deep breath.

"But.

"If I don't like what you've done when I read it, I reserve the right to change it or to throw it out."

He agreed to the terms.

And when I came home, there was the first draft of story sitting at my place at the kitchen table.

Steve poured me a glass of wine, and I read it. I had some niggles. We talked about them and clarified some of the rougher bits of world building. The next day was Saturday. I rose from my bed, fetched myself some coffee and repaired to the typewriter, where I addressed my niggles and layered in some of those world building insights we'd had the night before.

By the end of the afternoon, we had a clean final story. All we had to do was figure out which of (at that point, many) magazines to send it to.

Here ends the First Riff.

Date: 2009-08-27 11:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orlacarey.livejournal.com
did this get cut off? the post seems incomplete...

Date: 2009-08-27 11:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
fumble fingers. Post still in process.

Date: 2009-08-27 11:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
All fix now.

Date: 2009-08-27 11:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orlacarey.livejournal.com
about what I figured happened.

It's a nice story, thanks :)

Wow!

Date: 2009-08-27 11:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sickmomma.livejournal.com
Thanks! I love that you put conditions on your permission granting the first time around -- very important to negotiate things like that up front to be sure there's no hard feelings even in a good relationship. I love that you were both a bit wary about the initial collaboration bit.

Of course, now I really really really want to hear how collaboration became your usual (or at least frequent) mode.

And did you have to negotiate whose name went first? Was it simply alphabetical order, or something more complicated?

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you for (starting to) satisfy my curiosity! :-)

Date: 2009-08-28 12:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gauroth.livejournal.com
This is fascinating. The Liaden books have such - what can I call it? Such depth. One of the first lightning-stike-amazing books I ever read was C J Cherryh's 'Gate of Ivrel' which has extraordinary worldbuilding. Your (that's the plural 'your') books give me the same fizz: there are few others. As well as you two, Ellen Kushner/Delia Sherman; Megan Whalan Turner; Chaz Brenchley; Martha Wells and Sherwood Smith are the only authors who have created worlds that I can believe in without any doubt.

There are other good authors, obviously: but these and also you are the special authors who have that extra magic. I can't tell you what it is: I only know that I recognise it when I see it.

Date: 2009-08-28 12:43 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] grassrose.livejournal.com
Speaking of many magazines, the publisher of Realms of Fantasy is honoring my subscription to (defunct) Absolute Magnitude with an issue or two of RoF. I'm contemplating subscribing, but am curious as to whether I might ever see your work in RoF. It's the main reason I subscribed to A.M. in the first place :o)

~ Rosanne

Date: 2009-08-28 01:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] birdhousefrog.livejournal.com
I've known some of those brat lawyers. Thankfully, I've always been accounting, not secretary, so I never felt the brunt. But I've seen it.

Cool story, too.

Date: 2009-08-28 01:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Based on past experience, it's Extremely Unlikely that you'll ever see a Lee and Miller story in Realms...

Date: 2009-08-28 01:55 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thank the stars for obnoxious lawyers; where would we be without the Lee and Miller duo?

Date: 2009-08-28 08:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
So having given up on getting legal secretaries they started hiring illegal ones? (The opposite of "legal secretary /ought/ to be "illegal secretary" *g*)

Fascinating way to start a collaboration, I'll be interested to see how it continues.

(Yay, new (to me) books! DV, Low Port, Barnburner and Gunshy, and with any luck I'l have Rosemary and Rue waiting for me at home as well. I'm getting spoilt...)

Cool!

Date: 2009-08-28 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
VERY cool story. I also love that you are doing the Moonhawk/Lute thing. ('Herein ends the first story of Moonhawk' or however that went...)

Lauretta@ConstellationBooks

PS Don't Lawyers == Brats? Hmn, trying to think of one that doesn't.

Re: Cool!

Date: 2009-08-29 01:25 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Non-brat lawyer: a deceased one.

Re: Cool!

Date: 2009-08-29 07:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
Actually, not all. I know two -- well, two and one ex-lawyer -- lawyers I trust and who are Nice People(tm). Unfortunately one of the practicing ones is in the USA which doesn't do me much good (unless I get extradited to there for some reason), the other practicing one is in Wales (which does do me some good indirectly, because that's where the rest of my family are, but not as my lawyer). This does however imply that there may be a few more good lawyers around who aren't dead, the trick is finding them.

(So I can't quite agree with Shakespere's "hang all the lawyers" fully. Only mostly...)

Re: Wow!

Date: 2009-08-29 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
And did you have to negotiate whose name went first? Was it simply alphabetical order, or something more complicated?

At this remove, I think we just went with, "Well, it was your idea, so your name should go first," for the Kinzel story. The heartbreaker came when we did our first novel. We had submitted it as by Lee Miller (hoping to avoid, "It took TWO of you to write this?"), but it was purchased by Del Rey, which Did Not Do Pseudonyms at that time. So, we said, "Fine, make it by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller because it's Sharon's universe," and thought no more about it until our authors' copies arrived.

There on the cover was a man, a woman, a turtle -- and a by-line of "Steve Miller and Sharon Lee", because the editor knew that SF by girls didn't sell.

Seriously?

Date: 2009-08-31 04:09 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sickmomma.livejournal.com
Ok, I know you guys have been writing for a long time, and the world was different 20+ years ago, but seriously? They thought SF by girls wouldn't sell? Grrrrr.

And phooey on Del Rey for not allowing the pseudonym that would have solved the problem.

And thanks. I love that you answer my questions. :-)

Re: Cool!

Date: 2009-09-03 09:03 pm (UTC)
filkferengi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filkferengi
I married a delightfully exemplary lawyer, who supports Our Authors enthusiastically. Best of all, his profession makes my filk obsession look ever so respectable.

;)

Re: Cool!

Date: 2009-09-04 07:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
OK, now you have me wondering who he is (and who you are; I'm sure I've seen that handle around but can't place it, and the Only Good Lawyer I know on that side of The Pond isn't on your flist). Another filker?

Re: Cool!

Date: 2009-09-04 07:52 pm (UTC)
filkferengi: (Default)
From: [personal profile] filkferengi
My homecon's GaFilk, & we met there a few years back. My spouse, the Proud Mundane, doesn't go to cons per se; he travels with me & goes sight-seeing & scouts out fun things for us to do. Fairly few filkers have actually gotten to meet him, but he's still a great guy.

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