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A “first edition” is the first (hard) format bound run of a book.  In this day and age, we pretend that this doesn’t mean Advance Reading Copies by saying that ARCs are “unedited,” which is to say, not the finished work.

A “second edition” is the next altered printing — for instance a mass market paperback edition, or a printing that incorporates Significant Alterations in the text.

A “first edition” may go back to press many, many times, at the publisher’s whim.

Now, pay close attention, because I’m only going over this once more:

1.  Lee and Miller had an arrangement with Baen, said arrangement being that L&M would receive, as part of their advance, Saltations sufficient to cover the subscriber books — some 1200 novels.

1a.  Baen printed what its many years of experience had taught it was entirely enough books to cover its contractual obligation to Lee and Miller, and probable bookstore sales, as supported by the evidence of bookstore pre-orders.

1b. For some reason outside of Lee and Miller’s and Baen’s control, a large number of books were ordered at the last minute by bookstores.  The books were early in the warehouse; the warehouse filled the orders, with the result that. . .

1c.  When Baen Management issued the order to transfer inventory from the warehouse to Lee and Miller in Maine, the day before Saltation’s street date, essentially all of the books were in the distribution channel, covering orders.

1d.  Baen Management immediately sent Saltation back to print, in order that it might honorably discharge its contractual obligation to Lee and Miller, and through them, the subscribers, and (one devotely hopes) to cover the bookstore re-orders even now clogging the ordering system.

2.  The above series 1 is a Good Thing because…

3.  The early, unexpected movement of Saltation from warehouse to bookstores resulted in the early and highly gratifying movement of Saltation into the hands of readers, which resulted in Lee and Miller’s appearance on the Wall Street Journal’s bestselling SF list, which is one of those resume building things that are important to authors if they want to keep writing.

4.  Writing me a nasty note about how you’re disappointed that you’re going to be “stuck with” a “second edition” when you were “promised” a “first edition” (which you were never promised; you were promised a “thank you book” signed by the authors) only irritates me and reveals you as someone of inferior understanding.  Also?  Don’t expect a reply; I am hereby serving notice that any more such mail goes straight into Trash.

Thank you for your attention to and understanding of this situation.





Originally published at Sharon Lee, Writer. You can comment here or there.

Date: 2010-05-02 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ariaflame.livejournal.com
No such complaints here. I for one rejoice with you in the rapid selling of the first print run of the first edition.

I feel sorry for those who cannot do that also.

Date: 2010-05-02 12:28 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lagilman
this is why "first printing" is something savvy book collectors look for -- and why in this day-n-age of print-on-demand, some publishers don't bother listing, because it's a much simpler (if still fabulous) matter for a first edition to go back for a second, third, or seventeeth printing...

Sympathies on the rag-mannered readers.

Date: 2010-05-02 12:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
Oh. My.

Some people's children . . .

Date: 2010-05-02 01:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] 6-penny.livejournal.com
I've just finished reading (what will be my spare copy of) Saltation ... delicious. Going back for first reread today. I look forward to getting my signed copy from you guys, whenever the gods of the presses decide.

Date: 2010-05-02 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] missingvolume.livejournal.com
Not like they can't go out and find a first printing and get it signed later on as well. The collector in the would be a bit disappointed that I got a second, the business person in me is thrilled that you are getting a second printing. But to actually write and complain is so petty.

rude people

Date: 2010-05-02 02:23 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I regret you have to deal with this kind of stuff. I appreciate all the extra work that moving, signing, and shipping these books involves and will wait for mine as long as it takes, I don't care if it's a 101st printing. After all, the sooner I get the book the sooner it will be over :(
I have a feeling that Saltation, Mouse and Dragon, and Carousel Tides will all arrive on the same day, and I'll be like the donkey between two piles of hay! (But a very happy donkey)
Sue H

Date: 2010-05-02 02:24 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I'm stunned and amazed at how badly people behave sometimes.

Congrats, contrats, contrats! on selling through the first printing of Saltation! That's wonderful news.

Adrianne

Date: 2010-05-02 03:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jelazakazone.livejournal.com
For myself, I'm thrilled that some of my favorite writers are finally getting the recognition they deserve! I don't care what edition I have of the book. I'm happy to support you and see you all do well. Just call me "a satisfied reader":) Sorry you are having to deal with nastiness due to your rising stars.

Date: 2010-05-02 03:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cailleuch.livejournal.com
I regret that you had to say any of this. My understanding was "a dead tree version if such should happen" which is a far cry from that demanded of you.

Getting all those books to us is a daunting task. I congratulate you on the undertaking and will wait patiently for mine. Some people have no manners. I am happily amazed for you and hope Saltation goes through many printings.

Date: 2010-05-02 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sleary.livejournal.com
People are such tools. I'm very pleased the book is doing so well.

Date: 2010-05-02 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] isabellag.livejournal.com
People are such tools. Oh wait, somebody already said that. How rude and ungrateful those people are. Makes you wonder what they're doing reading about a society with a core value of 'behaving appropriately'.

Date: 2010-05-02 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
No, tools are useful. They are prats (British slang, roughly equivalent to US 'ass' (British 'arse') used as a derogatory term for "stupid person"). We've already been over this both here on LJ and on the FoL list about 'editions', and there was never any promise of first edition/printing anyway "the wording was, as close as I recall, "a signed copy of the dead tree version if one ever happens".

I do wonder how long such people would last on Delgado or Liad. Or even Surebleak...

I happen to have a "first edition first printing" copy, because I ordered it from Amazon ages ago knowing that Our Authors would have to get the copies, sign them, post them, and then the Post Orofice take several weeks to deliver them, and I wanted a copy to read before that (the same happened with Fledgling; in fact with that I ended up with three copies because Amazon were slow getting them as well so I bought one from anothe bookseller first). If I ever get to somewhere the authors are again, and have that copy of Saltation with me, I may ask them to sign it, if not then I have an extra copy anyway. Not a problem, I can find it a deserving home...

Date: 2010-05-02 03:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kmartin802.livejournal.com
I will be glad to get a book no matter how long I have to wait. I am extremely pleased, in fact, to have to wait.

I firmly believe that you and Steve ought to be selling lots and lots of books and gaining more recognition for your talents.

When it arrives with autograph, it will be added to my treasured collection of Liaden books. I bought the ebook as soon as it was available and have already read it twice. I can be patient because I know how the story changed from the web version.

Thank you for writing such compelling books.

Date: 2010-05-02 04:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jerusha.livejournal.com
People are complaining about what?!

And even if it were a valid complaint (hah!), what in the name of little green apples do they expect you to do about it? Generate more first-edition first-printing copies out of moonbeams and good thoughts?

Rag-mannered indeed. I regret that you have been exposed to such fools; may they soon come to a proper understanding of proper behavior.

Date: 2010-05-02 04:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] intuition-ist.livejournal.com
wow, the nerve of some people...

I suppose they want that wrapped with a bow, too?

Date: 2010-05-02 04:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
Frankly, I'm thoroughly chuffed that the first print run sold out, and that Baen is having to order a second printing. Making the WSJ Best-Seller-List is a serious bonus. You guys deserve something like that after all this time of laboring in relative obscurity.

Something odd is happening this Spring, not that I'm complaining. Another relatively obscure Baen author (whose works I'm fond of,) has just had the first print run of her most recent novel sell completely out at the warehouse. I really don't know what's causing this, but we need more of it.

As to which print run my copy of Saltation comes from: I don't care. When I sent in my contribution I was thinking that I was enabling a couple of authors whose work I enjoy reading to produce more books for me to read. An autographed copy of the book was a potential bonus, since I don't think you had sold the book when I made my contribution. My book will arrive when it arrives, and I will be happy to have it, whatever print run it comes from.

Date: 2010-05-02 04:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] otaku-tetsuko.livejournal.com
Is "chuffed" a good thing?

Date: 2010-05-02 05:05 pm (UTC)
pedanther: (Default)
From: [personal profile] pedanther
"chuffed" is definitely a good thing.

Date: 2010-05-02 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
Yes, indeed, it is a good thing. It's British dialect/slang for "exceedingly pleased." How they got there from an original meaning of "stuffed with fat" eludes me. But English as a language often makes little sense in the way it acquires new terms, and in the way words acquire new meanings. But, as we all know, English is in the habit of following well-behaved languages down dark alleyways, mugging them, and then going through their pockets for loose syntax...

Date: 2010-05-02 10:19 pm (UTC)
ext_252118: (cherry blossoms)
From: [identity profile] berneynator.livejournal.com
Please, please can I quote your comment about English? I've heard the sentiment before, but your phrasing cracked me up.

Date: 2010-05-02 11:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
I'm afraid it's not really original with me. It's a variation on something originally said on USENET several years ago by James D. Nicoll:

"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."

But feel free to use my wording if you want to.

Date: 2010-05-03 12:22 am (UTC)
ext_252118: (cherry blossoms)
From: [identity profile] berneynator.livejournal.com
Okay, thanks! for the permission and the source.

editions and idiots

Date: 2010-05-02 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
What obnoxiousness humanity is capable of. Shrug. Trash. Good for you. I am ecstatic that you may now have a little bit more security in your writing future. I am happy as a clam at the thought of having more of your books to read, and certainly not in any hurry for any edition at all. Will savor and slurp when it comes. May your May be full of much better days, and don't even waste your typing hands on imbeciles. Good health and good writing to you both.
Nanette

Date: 2010-05-02 04:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] angela-n-hunt.livejournal.com
Bozos. Some people are just bozos.

I've been practically euphoric over the fact that the books sold out. And it's not even my book. Whichever copy I get that's signed will make me ludicrously happy.

Those guys are bozos. Don't let 'em drag you down. You and Steve are doing something really wonderful. Thank you.

Date: 2010-05-02 04:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] redpimpernel.livejournal.com
I'm so sorry your achievement was tainted. It only takes one inconsiderate person to make you feel bad about an otherwise wonderful event.

If I were on the NYT Bestseller list I'd be tempted to put a sign up in my front yard, with balloons!

Date: 2010-05-02 04:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] otaku-tetsuko.livejournal.com
First, bows and thanks the captain for the lesson - because I also posted but that was what I actually wanted to know, what makes it a first edition and so on. I really, REALLY hope my list post wasn't taken as a complaint, as it was SO not meant to be! Just a request for clarification, which I now have.

First Editions just don't seem to have the value they used to, anyway. I was trying to help a friend find some floor, and when we tried to value some of the books, it just wasn't seeming to make much difference which edition. But signed copies - ah, those are MUCH better! Which my (eventual) copy will be! Not that I'd ever part with it, but there.

So, consider the rude people as so many drops of water off the duck's back, and get back to celebrating!

Woot!

Date: 2010-05-02 05:20 pm (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] trolleypup.livejournal.com
Probably the same class of people who are upset that they didn't get the books before the release date delivered by Fedex and wrapped in a bow.

Date: 2010-05-02 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hapaxnym.livejournal.com
Hmmm. Among the book collectors I know, signed copies -- unless the signer is, say, Abraham Lincoln -- actually have less monetary value than unsigned copies.

Not that I don't personally treasure my little collection of signed books, but that's because of the sort of mystical connection of Being Physically Touched By Object Of Admiration. (Sorta like that Eric Bogle song, "I have candle that was lit from a candle, that was lit from a candle, that was lit by the Dalai Lama")

But the sort of ill-bred person who would send such a note is obviously more concerned with eBay resale values than emotional connections.

Short version: pfui.

Date: 2010-05-02 08:56 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] elbales
Wow. Gits. I'm just happy for you that it's gone to a second printing. My book will arrive when it arrives. I'm not worrying over it.

Date: 2010-05-02 10:22 pm (UTC)
ext_252118: (Default)
From: [identity profile] berneynator.livejournal.com
I'm sorry such rude people dampened your joy at doing so well. Please, ignore them and know that most of your readers are thrilled for you!

Date: 2010-05-02 10:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimeg.livejournal.com
May the copies bring joy to you, to booksellers, and to readers. Any copy is good with me.

Date: 2010-05-03 08:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rdmasters.livejournal.com
You've sold more than the first run?

Yay! (Kermit flail)

Congratulations! Most splendiferous and magnificent news! I am speechless and without words to begin to think about how best to accurately convey my excitement and pleasure at hearing of such an incomparably wonderful event!

And to the cause of the announcement: "Phtttpt!"

Congratulations

Date: 2010-05-03 10:31 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Hello Authors,

congratulations on the Wall Street Journal listing. I have watched your wonderous journey to national prominence in the science fiction world over the years, having read Carpe Diem first when it came out in paperback years ago (best I can remember, in the 19080's). Of course, as well as watching, I have throughly enjoyed the books and chapbooks. I expect one of these days "Lee and Miller" to be as well known as Asimov, Heinlein or Weber. Again, Congratulations.

As for those who write the nasty notes, well I would say just ignore these people. I have always believed that there are inferior people in the world. Many times my beliefs are justified.

Bill Cowell
From: (Anonymous)
Whoever those whiners are, I imagine they're edging toward the nearest exit by now.

Woot!

Date: 2010-05-04 05:24 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
This is absolutely wonderful news. To have this kind of movement on a book is great for all of us -- the writers because, heck, it means sales :) the readers because Baen sure as shooting will pick up more books which we will get to read. Color me delighted to be the proud orderer of a First Edition, second printing.

Julie Wray Herman
MysteryGarden.com

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