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Bruce Sterling is trying to make a point over here.  Mind you, I’m not sure what his point is.  It sorta smacks of the old assurance from A Certain Male SF Writer that his female colleagues didn’t have to write fantasy!  They could, with only a little research, learn to write science fiction, too.

Lack of caffeine, right.

Anyhow, Mr. Sterling provides a list, lifted from a Must Read SF posting at The Galaxy Express, with the note that there is not a single male author appearing.  One of the authors listed is Steve Miller, who, last time I checked — quite recently, in fact — was male.  And an author.

When this was pointed out to Mr. Sterling, he amended his editorial to exclaim that there was a male author of half a book! on the list.

Since there were three books listed by Sharon Lee and Steve Miller, Mr. Sterling clearly can’t do arithmetic, either.

Back to the point of the thing.

If there is only a single male author of SFRomance on the list compiled by Galaxy Express, does that mean there are no men writing SFRomance?  I confess that I can’t think of a name — ref. lack of caffeine — but perhaps someone else can?

And!  If there are “no” men writing SFRomance, does that automatically make SFRomance an Inferior Form, as Mr. Sterling’s commentary seems to suggest?

Discuss.




Originally published at Sharon Lee, Writer. You can comment here or there.

Date: 2010-06-11 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
Lois Bujold has stated in my presence that Shards of Honor was intentionally written as a romance, and I once heard Jim Baen say that he bought Shards of Honor because it was "...a damned good science-fiction novel in spite of the fact that it was a romance." Which probably says a great deal about the state of SF publishing in those days.

Date: 2010-06-11 03:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
It said a lot more about Baen. I've never forgotten that the original blurb on the inside of the first Miles book said "This girl [sic] is good!" Nice that Baen added the sic, unbelievable that they chose that sentence for the blurb.

Date: 2010-06-11 03:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
Which is, I think, why [livejournal.com profile] slrose's link downthread to Debra Doyle's epic "Theory of Girl Cooties" is so utterly apt to this conversation.

I'll even admit to have suffered from a fear of Girl Cooties at one time my own self. Fortunately, I managed to grow up and grow out of it.

As [livejournal.com profile] rolanni has already pointed out in another thread, the big problem with SF as romance (as opposed to SF as "Romance" in the literary sense,) is that SF doesn't really lend itself to "Happily Ever After" endings.

Date: 2010-06-11 03:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
The HEA used to be pretty much conventional in the SF standalone hero-story: solve the problem, win the war, get the girl. As I mentioned elsewhere, it's pretty much canonical in Poul Anderson unless he's going for a tragic ending. It's much harder to do an HEA in a series -- romance writers find this difficult as well.

Date: 2010-06-11 03:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k-10b.livejournal.com
interesting. and you're probably spot on with the "publishing in those days" view. I guess I read enough Historical Romances that my definition of what qualifies as Romance (and not simply romantic) is slightly skewed. ; )

Date: 2010-06-11 03:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Actually, it says a lot about Jim Baen.

Date: 2010-06-11 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k-10b.livejournal.com
I've often thought that the cover art that Jim Baen encouraged to be perpetrated on his readers said a lot of his worldview.

Date: 2010-06-12 03:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkingrey.livejournal.com
Based on everything I've heard, it had more to do with the fact that Jim Baen was a cheapskate who wouldn't buy good -- read "expensive" -- cover art when cheap cover art worked just as well.

Date: 2010-06-14 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] k-10b.livejournal.com
yes, but does cheap have to be sleazy/sexy?

Date: 2010-06-14 02:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkingrey.livejournal.com
They don't have to be . . . but it seems that they often are.

Alternatively, mediocre sleazy/sexy covers are the ones that stick in the brain afterward; the merely bad ones fade into a general blur. Which would over time cause a general tilt toward a preference for sleazy/sexy in mediocre book covers, since most publishers (being profit-oriented beasts) are more concerned that a book's cover be memorable than that it not give offense.

Date: 2010-06-14 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jonquil.livejournal.com
But "stick in the brain afterward" is already too late. You want me to grab the book off the shelf *right then* or all is lost. Or so I hear.

Date: 2010-06-14 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] malkingrey.livejournal.com
Book covers speak in a weird language of their own, so far as I've ever been able to discern, and the messages they're sending are not necessarily as simple as "pick me up and buy me now!" -- they range from "I am a serious award contender; you won't lose intellectual credit by being seen reading me" (monochrome or limited color palette; abstract or nonrepresentational art) to "I want to show you a good time; do you see something you like?" (multi-colored palette, possibly with bright colors and metallic foil; representational art depicting a scene from the book or an attractive character), with a lot of stops in between.

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