Spoiler Discussion: Necessity's Child
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rolanniFor those who want to discuss Necessity's Child. Please, out of courtesy for those who are waiting for the dead tree edition, limit your conversation to this topic. Thank you.
WARNING: If you don't want the story spoiled, don't read the comments of this post!
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I gave it 5 stars
Date: 2012-10-24 04:33 am (UTC)I did find one reversal in Chapter 31, (79% on Kindle, no page numbers). "Oh yes, and that is enough..." The word "is" was reversed as "si". Thought you might tell Baen. Thanks again for a great story. Kathy
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Date: 2012-10-24 12:38 pm (UTC)Only a strong desire to know what's happening kept me plowing through. The story is great, and I love the story-telling device of making us see the plot through such very different eyes. I had to go back and re-read the beginning once I realized where we were. Somehow, I thought "George" was a non-Liaden story! LOL
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Date: 2012-10-24 02:20 pm (UTC)Time Frame and Characters
Date: 2012-10-24 02:34 pm (UTC)Thanks again, I enjoyed it very much...
Stan
Re: Time Frame and Characters
Date: 2012-10-24 04:41 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-25 06:48 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-25 11:06 am (UTC)Of course, if you would like to slip another chapter in there, I wouldn't argue :-)
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Date: 2012-10-25 12:59 pm (UTC)Sigh. The last thing I usually do before I convert-and-save the submission copy is search on "chapter" and go through the whole manuscript to make sure the numbering is in order and that I didn't skip any numbers.
...though to be fair, all the numbers are in order, and I didn't skip one.
So when's the next book? :D
Date: 2012-10-25 02:49 pm (UTC)I do like the Bedel -- very interesting group -- and until the ... ahem ... planting of the seed I had a suspicion they were more like Uncle's group. ;)
I also suspected the ship they may be looking for may be Bechimo -- but on second thought -- these really don't seem the type of group who Uncle would trust enough to link up with.
So glad to see how our main characters are adapting, kinda fun to see Nova having to deal with constant informality. (Loved that bit about "Hi Mike" -- loudly announced just in case anyone had been knocked unconscious & unaware they had arrived).
I also appreciated how you showed what affect Plan B (and Aunt Kareen) had on Syl Vor. He really gets under your skin - poor little mite. I cannot wait to see more from him & his Sister. :)
Re: So when's the next book? :D
Date: 2012-10-25 03:31 pm (UTC)Necessity's Child actually takes place concurrently with some of the action in Ghost Ship (the third "Theo" book). We've been telling people it takes place "in a pocket" of Ghost Ship.
Re: So when's the next book? :D
Date: 2012-10-25 05:14 pm (UTC)Re: So when's the next book? :D
Date: 2012-10-26 06:44 am (UTC)Re: So when's the next book? :D
Date: 2012-10-26 11:59 am (UTC)I got the impression that they had stopped on Surebleak for a while, but not with the intent to be permanent residents. So they probably sent their ship off, expecting it to come back after a while. However...
Maybe a future tale of the Bedel (and Korval?) will help explain where their ship has been? At least, I can hope... got all those fives to fill up, right?
Re: So when's the next book? :D
Date: 2012-10-26 12:56 pm (UTC)That's a different ship from Momma Liberty.
Can anyone tell me about the mesh hand?
Date: 2012-10-25 08:19 pm (UTC)I enjoyed the book very much. Thanks
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Date: 2012-10-25 11:02 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-26 06:42 am (UTC)I also enjoyed seeing Boss Nova at work and at play.
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Date: 2012-10-26 12:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-27 06:52 pm (UTC)Rhys i now the second Agent to break conditioning. It's been done twice this means it can be done and Korval has access to both. The Bedel/Korval interactions will be fascinating and I think is something that has happened before. You see hints in the allies we encounter in other of the Liad books. And here we see the start of how such allies whirl into Korval's orbit. And its a story of healing and growth and childhood.
Oh well I think you get that I like it. :D
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Date: 2012-10-27 03:55 pm (UTC)I put this here instead of the thread above since I suppose there is (mildly) a spoiler.
Yet another YA novel that does little to nothing to resolve the DoI arc. That makes four in a row. Plus Trade Secrets makes five. Plus three (is that right?) Carousel something books makes eight novels between Plan B and any chance of resolving the arc.
Well, I have four years until I reach the authoress' current age. Possibly by then I will know how it comes out.
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Date: 2012-10-27 03:57 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-27 04:16 pm (UTC)I'd say you're reading for the wrong reason. That is, of course, Just Me.
To address your specific complaint, I did SAY early and often that Necessity's Child was a standalone, so I really don't feel terrible that you dropped $15 on a book you had to know, going in, would disappoint you.
I'm trying to work out which the other four -- or five, or whatever -- "YA" novels are.
I can assure you there are only two more "Carousel Something" books -- three in total -- so you can rest easy, there.
Well, I am Reading Because
Date: 2012-10-27 05:55 pm (UTC)And Er Thom, Anne, and Aeilliana, who are mostly dead--I know, happens to everybody.
And Clutch Turtles ;
And cats.
And since you created those fabulous characters, it is clearly all YOUR fault that I am hanging here wanting more of them.
Post Delm Val Con and Miri I can definitely do without more of; Daav I have never made up my mind about.
A common denominator of them is they are all adults (well, maybe not Sheather). I am afraid I lost interest in reading about protagonists growing up, and their angst, and immaturity long ago. A pastiche such as He Won The Day is about my limit.
I certainly do not regret spending the money. Not only did you indeed say it was a one-off (thank God) but, writers gotta eat. And artistry (not to mention hard work) should be rewarded and sustained.
My regret is the time it is taking, not the money. I have promised myself I will never willingly submit to a WoT experience again.
And here I am.
Of course, based on comments, this is just me.
The YA books are this one, the Theo ones, and the Trade ones--so I suppose that is seven.
Thanks for responding. Hope the storm does not hit too badly. Here in West Africa those are really not a problem.
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Date: 2012-10-27 06:58 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2012-10-27 04:57 pm (UTC)An interesting point here is that the DOI appears to really have a beef with Korval specifically – whatever their Plan is, it is more than just subverting Liad. It's also clear that they have capabilities beyond anyone else (such as the programming of Agents). Makes me ever more curious about who they are and what their goal is…
Very enjoyable read! Rys is a gem; so is the Bedel culture. I sure hope to see more of these new characters in further books :)
Syl Vor's age?
Date: 2012-10-27 09:15 pm (UTC)Re: Syl Vor's age?
Date: 2012-10-27 09:26 pm (UTC)I really avoid definitively saying how old children who live in books are. This is partly because some people will have their enjoyment of the story Utterly Spoiled because they "know" definitively what a 6, 9, 12, 16 year old "acts like." I'm sorry for that, but I'm sorrier because some of them will feel compelled to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about :)
Also, because we have not only different planets, with different rotations and year lengths (and while the Standard Year is "standard," it's not a Terran year), but cultures with very different expectations with regard to age, the question, "how old?" tends to get meaningless pretty quick.
Re: Syl Vor's age?
Date: 2012-10-27 11:21 pm (UTC)I was more trying to fit Syl Vor into the range of ages we've seen of children of the clan in the past. For example in Intelligent Design we know that Neither Shan or Val Can are 20 (old enough to buy a knife on port) but they seem significantly more mature than Syl Vor.
I shall continue to muddle through some how.
I am very much enjoying the addition of a new member of the clan as a primary view point - reminds me very much of Pat Rin bursting onto the scene in I dare.
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Date: 2012-10-27 11:40 pm (UTC)I'm glad that from your viewpoint it "turned out just as it ought." I imagine that with the bullheadedness of Korval that stories about them often go in directions that you weren't planning on at the beginning. I like the resolution as well, and am glad that it pleased you.
Thanks -- this is one that will be re-read frequently.
That was unexpected
Date: 2012-10-28 02:25 pm (UTC)In any case, random thoughts —
First, Anthora scares the ever-living crap out of me. Why more people aren't alarmed by her baffles me. I laughed out loud at, "Aunt Anthora was slightly less tall, but there was, Syl Vor thought, no sense bringing Aunt Anthora into things just yet."
Second, I loved seeing more of Nova at work (I notice I'm not alone in this).
Third, the Liaden perspective on "Simon says" may be the most succinct account of melant'i I have yet seen.
Re: That was unexpected
Date: 2012-10-28 02:53 pm (UTC)And, yeah, Anthora scares me, too.
Finished.
Date: 2012-10-29 12:57 am (UTC)I am in awe of your continuing ability to make an already large and complex universe larger and more complex and yet by the end it all hangs together nicely.
I also don't find this book, or the Theo arc to be YA, but that of course is for each to decide how they feel.
Also I no longer expect your books to end in a way that ties things up in a completed bow, they are more windows in to a long and continuing multi generation story. This is fine as long as you both agree to live forever and never stop writing.
Thanks again for another terrific read.
Finished. Congrats on nuance.
Date: 2012-11-03 04:36 am (UTC)On the question of age - we know that Sil Vor is not yet hafling, a bit old for the nursery, old enough to train in self defense, and old enough to carry a weapon.
What "I" particularly liked is the author's deft touch with voice. Sil Vor is the child who because of "Plan B" must too soon come the adult.
Through Necessity he has done and does a credible job in the extreme - the future Delm perhaps. But Sil Vor is still a child, therefore, his "voice" in the narrative is at times uncertain in its maturity.
I was pleased to see Anthora helping smooth things out. Let him enjoy what is left of his childhood.
Sil Vor has the mettle to become a very great Dragon indeed!