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Pursuant to yesterday's post pointing to this article and to those folks who have been weighing in on various discussions of the Amazon and Macmillan kerfuffle with the opinion that all writers are rich (and are trying to keep ebook prices high to protect their 500-acre estates).

We're going to have to do math, here. Sorry; I'll try to keep it simple and straightforward.

When an author goes to contract for a book, they receive what is known as an advance against royalties. The shorthand for this is "advance," and some people therefore forget that it's a loan against future earnings. Authors by contract receive a certain percentage of cover price on each sale as a "royalty." Before any royalties are paid to the author, the book must first pay back the money given in advance of its publication (aka "earn out").

So, using Carousel Tides -- because that novel is mine, all mine, and I didn't tell Steve I was going to do this, much less get his agreement -- as an example, this is what the math looks like:

Advance against royalties: $12,000
Pretty good, huh? Actually, it is. Most new writers can expect a much lower advance -- around $7500 for a first fantasy. Expect, wait! You don't think you're going to get that whole big lump of cash all at once, do you? No, no. We're going to break it into pieces. Happily, Baen only breaks their advance payments in half (I've heard of advances being broken down into as many as four pieces. Take into account that publishers as a race pay late, and this becomes...challenging... to any writer trying to live within budget).

Back to particulars: Sometime relatively soon after signing the contract, a check arrives:

on-signing: $6,000
less agent commission 15%: ($ 900)
less taxes 33%: ($1,683)
grocery, rent, and cat food: $3,417


Carousel Tides was submitted, and accepted, as a complete manuscript. However, there were editorial changes required. When the changes were complete, I sent in the corrected manuscript, a necessary step in triggering the second advance payment, called "delivery-and-acceptance" or, in shorthand, D&A money.

Some while after the revised manuscript is turned in, the editor accepts it (note: delivery alone does not trigger the second payment; delivery and acceptance are the trigger, and acceptance, depending on your editor's workload...could take a while.)

So, eventually, your script is accepted, your editor orders the check, and we do the same math:

D&A $6,000
less agent commission 15%: ($ 900)
less taxes 33%: ($1,683)
grocery, rent, and cat food: $3,417


Now, because Carousel Tides was an on-spec book, I didn't have to write it between signing and D&A; I only had to revise it -- with the happy outcome that I got paid both halves of my advance in the same year.

Which is to say that I saw an influx of $6,834 in the ol' house general account.

Not exactly going to Vegas on that.

But wait, you say -- you're not fooling me -- you got royalty payments during that year, too!

Oh, did I?

Now, in point of fact, I did in mid-2009-- as one-half of Lee-and-Miller -- receive royalties on books sold through June '08. Ebook royalties, exclusively. Duainfey, our first dead tree book with Baen, was published in September '08; the second half of the 2009 royalty statements were delayed, and only reached us after the first of 2010. For the curious, Duainfey has not yet earned out

So, here we have my half of the Lee-and-Miller royalties:

sales through June 2008: $4800
less agent commission 15%: ($ 720)
less taxes 33%: ($1346) [rounding down the forty cents]
grocery, rent, cat food: $2733 [ditto sixty cents]


If all I had done in 2009 was sold and delivered my novel, and collected royalties on past sales, I would have achieved for my own use a grand total of $9,567.

Geez, even the day-job pays better than that.

Also, regarding Carousel Tides -- it was, as I said, an on-spec book. That means I wrote it believing that, Once It Was Written, They Would Come (aka, "because I wanted to"). And that means that it was on submission to various publishers for 18 months before it was placed with Baen.

That math being: It took a year to write the book, 1.5 years before a sale. Two-and-a-half years before it began earning.


OK. That's probably confusing enough for one post. In a while, I'll try to break down the various author-tasks associated with getting a novel published.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mizkit.livejournal.com
I will gleefully link to this later, when I post on my blog again. I post things like this periodically too, but man, it cannot be explained to people often enough!

Date: 2010-02-12 06:03 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lagilman
I um, tweeted the link and it, um, got retweeted. A bit.

Date: 2010-02-12 06:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
You're gonna tell me what that means, right?

Date: 2010-02-12 06:08 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] lagilman
I posted the link on Twitter, with the caption "The Myth of the Wealthy Writer." And a bunch of other people picked it up to send out to their own followers (retweeted)it). At last count, um, twelve people (including Jay and Catie).

So, doing rough math.... you may be getting a lot of eyeballs on this.

Date: 2010-02-13 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Thank you.

In fact, it looks like we've had a few people by.

Geez, even the day-job pays better than that.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elgordo303.livejournal.com
Actually ... based on the Federal minimum wage, and a 2000 hr work year ... you'd be financially better off flipping burgers somewhere.
From: [identity profile] wordweaverlynn.livejournal.com
And this is an established, respected professional with a fanatical following of people (my girlfriend included) who not only proselytize to strangers, but who will buy her books in hardback and sometimes then again in ebook. Plus extra copies for gifts. Plus extras when the first books get worn out.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keristor.livejournal.com
I love these posts. Not because I'm ever going to be a professional writer (no chance) but because I have known anecdotaly for years that writing fiction isn't going to make anyone rich unless they are very lucky (odds probably similar to hitting the jackpot in the lottery) but not had hard figures to back it up (I believe, many others don't). And because I'm a geek and interested in How Stuff Works, and that includes publishing and the music business and all sorts of other stuff...

Date: 2010-02-12 04:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] adina-atl.livejournal.com
What I don't understand is why authors are willing to accept the same royalty percentage for an ebook as for a print book. Yes, the author should get just as much from the sale of an ebook as from the sale of a print book, because their work is the same for either. But, why should the publisher get as much for producing pixels as for paper?

I've been told for decades that one reason book prices are going up is because the price of paper and printing is going up, so obviously the paper/printing plays some role in the price. My brother and father work in publishing, so I know the mechanics of storing books, managing inventory, shipping from printer to distributor, distributor to bookseller, etc. are not free either. All of those publisher costs are eliminated in ebooks, yet the publisher takes the same percentage of the final cost of the book, while doing substantially less work. I think authors are being robbed by the publishers on ebooks, not by the readers.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
What I don't understand is why authors are willing to accept the same royalty percentage for an ebook as for a print book.

Because, in some cases, it's a deal-breaker, presented as: This is what the house pays in royalties. Take it or no contract.

Publishers and authors do not actually want the same thing.

Publishers want to sell books.

Authors want to sell THEIR books.

...a subtle but important difference.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
> Take it or no contract.

Yeah.

authors are being robbed by the publishers

Date: 2010-02-12 04:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elgordo303.livejournal.com
IMO this has always been the case... the creative person creates and the business person profits. Authors are willing to accept the same royalty percentage for an ebook as for a print book, because the publisher has the power in the relationship(distribution, advertising and a lock on the dead tree readers - which gives them leverage to get the electronic rights along with the print rights.) -

e-publishing will change that eventually but not until the majority of sales are electronic... at which point the traditional publishing house will lose thier leverage and either get on-board or get locked out of the e-marketplace.

Date: 2010-02-12 05:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kinzel.livejournal.com
Not all authors get the same percentage for ebooks as for print books, and in some cases it just is how the original deal for the work is constructed. Much depends on your agent.

Date: 2010-02-12 05:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrilin.livejournal.com
As a rough guide, on a manufactured good (which books are), you expect roughly 1/3 of the retail costs to cover materials. Then 1/3 goes to the manufacturer, and 1/3 goes to the retailer to cover their costs. Since most publishers don't sell direct to bookstores, in this case the retailer is the distributer.

So on a $10 paperback (which is basically what we're up to these days), about $3.33 covers paper, copyediting, manuscript acquisition, typesetting... That is not very much money, and it has to go cover a lot of tasks. And since the distributor is actually paying *wholesale* for the book, it's going to be out of a lot less than $10.

Not a great scene. Electronic books do a lot to cut distributor costs, but they don't do a great deal for publisher costs. And they (generally) still go through a distributor, which means there's two businesses between you as a customer and the publisher... and those other businesses still need their cut.

Date: 2010-02-12 09:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] davefreer.livejournal.com
um. Publishing is one of areas with substantial fixed costs (which are the same no matter how many copies you sell) and per-unit costs. Per unit costs: paper, distribution, and most importantly RETURNS (I'd love it if Sharon would care to explain what effect this has on costs as clearly as she has above). So - at low numbers the per unit costs are a relatively low total amount, and it is possible to say removing them doesn't do that much for the publisher's costs. At high numbers of course the fixed costs (which are the same regardless of whether the book sold 10 copies or 10 million) are divided by the number of books. At which point the per unit costs are far far larger than the fixed costs. It's not actually an 'all books'simple picture.

Date: 2010-02-12 11:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrilin.livejournal.com
That doesn't affect how standard rules of thumb for how "can this retail product be viable" works. What you're talking about is the publisher's ability to make a profit, and from the sample P&Ls I've seen, the estimation techniques are very different.

The distributor is going to use a different estimation technique to figure out if it's worth distributing a given book.

The nice thing about the retail version is it lets us customers get a quick and dirty view of what a publisher's raw income might be. It won't be dead on accurate, because books tend to be specialty retail, and the contracts between publisher, distributor and retail outlet will be heavily negotiated. But for eyeballing the practicalities of a sample midlist book... you don't need the details. Just a reasonable estimate of "so how much would the publisher gross?"

Mostly, the answer is... not very much.

Date: 2010-02-13 11:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] johnhawkinson.livejournal.com
waitsec...since when are books a "manufactured good"? They are a creative work. The price is not set based on the cost to manufacture the book, the price is set based on remuneration to the creators (as well as the cost to manufacture), and the guiding of the creative process.

This is especially true because books are priced flexibly, in tiers (limited edition, regular hard cover, trade paperback, mass-market paperback, etc.),

Ironically while that typically brings up dreams of "what the market will bear" which makes consumers think they might be paying more than the cost to produce the item, Sharon's example reminds us that, if you're not a best-selling author, "what the market will bear" may well mean that the authors are paid less than their cost-to-produce...

Date: 2010-02-14 12:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] torrilin.livejournal.com
Not all books are "creative works"... ever looked at the price of a notebook? You can get notebooks as low priced as 10 for a buck, but if you want decent paper, or one that is made to last, it runs about $5-10. Some nice notebooks are running as high as $15. Space wise, most big box bookstores are devoting more space to those than to SF.

So yes, you *can't* just pretend that the paper is free. Nor is the binding, nor the shipping costs. And from a bookstore's point of view, those notebooks are a lot less trouble to deal with. They can mostly sell on the basis of fashion, and no one will complain if a particular style vanishes.

Bookstores are in business to make a profit. In the case of an indy bookstore, if the owner doesn't make a profit, they don't get to eat. For a big chain, the scale is a bit different, but if they don't make their sales numbers, ultimately everyone is out of a job. The distributor and publisher also have to be out to make a profit. Same reasons.

The author is one of the easiest people to squeeze in the whole chain. They tend to not watch the bottom line like a hawk, and in some cases it's easy to convince them to take less pay for the sake of vanity or publicity. (see also: Author's Guild settlement)

I love novels as an art form, but the plain fact is from a commercial point of view, they're a commodity. Losing sight of that fact makes it a lot harder to figure out how best to make the author money. And since I *want* authors to make money... I have to look at the business side just as sensibly as I'd look at any other way of making a living by art. That means looking at the retail basics, and doing things like counting fixtures, find the discount areas, and in general see what's selling.

Date: 2010-02-12 04:42 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jhetley.livejournal.com
Or, condensed: "Don't give up the day job."

I looked the other day (tax time) at the total income in my Quicken category for "royalties and advances" -- this for about ten years in the published ranks and four novels. Works out to under $4000 per year . . .

Date: 2010-02-12 05:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nicoli-dominn.livejournal.com
It's funny/frustrating how people often have the misconception that royalties equal riches. As someone who studied music business, I can tell you how surprised I was when I first read about artists and songwriters and their respective recording and publishing agreements. On one hand, there was the huge recording industry up through 1995 or so, before the advent of Napster and home recording and "indie" musicians, and the wild successes of people like Motley Crue, Britney Spears, and Madonna; on the other hand, you had the "lesser" recording artists, and now, you have the post-Napster digital music world in which most publishing agreements do not include any advance on royalties whatsoever, and in which record deals are for the overnight hitmakers and often provide no more than a $25,000 recording advance, as opposed to some of the million-dollar advances the superstars used to see. From what you've detailed, it seems that the (book) publishing industry has undergone much the same transformation, but was probably more competitive for authors than the music industry ever was for artists.

I very much appreciate this breakdown, if only for the sake of enlightening others. Kudos on a very clear explanation. :-)

Date: 2010-02-12 05:46 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gingerwood.livejournal.com
It will be interesting to see how the long tail generated by the e-publishing industry changes the game.

Date: 2010-02-12 05:50 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I've been following this discussion with interest. I understand the argument for pricing books by demand (more expensive when new) rather than format (HC, PB, ebook). But if I'm going to pay top price for a newly published, long awaited book (which I am willing and happy to do), I darn well would like to get it in the format of my choice! I just so happen to like mass market PB format. I have many books and not much space. Hard covers are big and heavy! I don't see why I'm forced to buy a HC copy first, then swap it for a PB a year later, at additional cost, just so it fits on my keeper shelf. If the production cost for the various formats really differs by so little, why not offer all formats at the same time, for the same cost?
Maike

Date: 2010-02-12 06:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] yammermoon.livejournal.com
A group of editors forming a company with a focus on e-publishing could clean up by just re-aligning the royalty rates for authors. Sounds like a great business opportunity!

Date: 2010-02-12 11:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] wordweaverlynn.livejournal.com
The only thing about this that surprises me is that your agent is still taking only 15%. Last time I had an agent peddling a book manuscript for me, she was going to take 20%. That was a dozen years ago.

Other kinds of freelance writing used to be reasonably profitable (you could survive, maybe have a family), but not now. (http://ow.ly/14zpm)

Date: 2010-02-13 01:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
There were a couple years where I made my living as a freelance reporter/photographer/book reviewer for the local daily and a local weekly.

After Meisha Merlin melted down, I made some calls, thinking to reconnect with my old editors. The local daily was now offering a by-line; the local weekly, interestingly enough, still paid for articles -- at a flat rate, rather than by-inch, and no longer paid for photographs, because -- as the editor explained to me -- "it doesn't cost you anything to take a picture with a digital camera."

Thank you

Date: 2010-02-13 01:54 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
That was a very clearly stated example. I knew in my gut that authors don't make much but it's great to see something in real numbers I can point others to.

Re: eBooks - I think we are still a long ways away from a stable pricing protocol. We don't have a stable eReader device yet - Kindle's close but it's too expensive for many. Once the devices and formats have settled out (anyone remember Betamax?), there'll still be pricing volatility as the publishers figure out What The Market Will Bear. This is going to be a bumpy ride for the next decade. ish. The current eReader-user is angry but they are a small minority compared to those buying the dead-tree editions - the publishers should remember that eventually the eReader-users will be in the majority and should avoid annoying them. I saw Macmillan as attempting to do that --- they never said the eBooks
would STAY at 14.99. They said the eBooks should start there and go down in price as the paperback editions get released.

But this is my own opinion as a bookseller (who gets the maximum price of her books DICTATED to her by the publishers),
Lauretta@ConstellationBooks

PS One of my successful thriller authors once quoted 0.25 royalty on each Mass Market paperback book (7.99) he sells. And that was with a big publishing house. That's not even a postage stamp anymore!

Re: Thank you

Date: 2010-02-13 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
The ebook readers have got to become both cheaper and wider of platform. I've been looking at ereaders, because Steve and I are thinking about moving into town, which would mean a smaller house and less room for books. I just can't justify buying a $300 gizmo on top of what it costs me to buy ebooks. One of the reasons people may think that ebooks ought to be cheaper is because they want their ereader to "pay for itself," like buying a new, fuel-efficient car.

Royalties vary, depending on format. Our mass market rate is 8% of cover (retail) for the first (ahem) 150,000 books, then 10% unto eternity. So, for each sale of a $7.99 mmp, we get...sixty-three cents?

Re: Thank you

Date: 2010-02-13 07:53 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
0.63? Dude!
Hmn, maybe that's because you are a Known Author, with Attendant Fans. (Dave's still building his base.)

Yay, fans, yay better royalties...
Lauretta@ConstellationBooks, where we can't shovel the sidewalks
because State Highway's front loaders dumped the ice/salt/snow
from the street onto them. Grrrr.

Re: Thank you

Date: 2010-02-15 05:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebartley.livejournal.com
I think that people believe ebooks ought to be cheaper because they're cheaper to produce ... which they are, even if the fixed costs are higher than people realize.

Personally, while I prefer saving the shelf space, and I love having a hundred books in my purse instead of one or two, I like reading paperbacks better than I like reading my Kindle. So if I'm going to pay paperback prices, I want some value added beyond not having to find a place for the paperback. Getting a book without going anywhere can count, but only if I'm feeling sick or *can't* get to the bookstore; I like bookstores. Getting a specific book I've been longing for months early most certainly does count -- I've bought the ARCs for both Fledgling and Saltation, am hoping eagerly for one for Mouse and Dragon, and don't begrudge the $15 extra (extra because I'm going to want the final copy, too.) That's not even getting into DRM, which is the main reason I buy very few ebooks actually from Amazon.

Anyway, if you have a taste for classics, you can get a huge library for ereader or computer for the effort of downloading the files (& installing an ereader client for the appropriate format if you're using your computer), or for under $20 on CD from ebay.

BTB, from Baen, what do you get when someone buys the $15 ARC, when they buy the $5/$6 ebook, and what do you get when someone buys a $15 month which includes one of your books (or two of your books, in the case of 6/2010.)

An Excellent Reality Check

Date: 2010-02-13 03:14 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Thanks for spelling out a real-world example of what authors really make from publishing novels. You inspired me to write a related post on my blog, including a link back to your site (see http://timeguardiansaga.com/blog/?p=434).

Don't forget the editors

Date: 2010-02-13 03:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rcartwr.livejournal.com
This has been alluded to earlier, but the two biggest expenses any publisher has is editors and marketing. A really good editor does far more than spelling and grammar. They read outside the universe created by the author and provide a sanity check for what is written. Can Joe Reader pick up the book and make sense of it? Marketers ditto. Alas, those people expect to be paid and considering where most of them are "forced" to live (NYC, Boston, LA, etc.) they have to be paid a bit.

Perhaps however the biggest thing publishers did, before they outsourced to agents, is act as gatekeepers. In the past, you might not like a particular writer (I am not all that fond of Stephen King, some disagree with my position) but you could usually rely on certain publishers to print writers who could tell a tale. All this infrastructure costs money, and whether you are printing with ink or electrons, you are going to have the overhead.

How do I give you more money?

Date: 2010-02-13 08:46 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Well, of course I could just write you a check, but what I really mean is this - when I buy your work, is there a particular vendor or purchase option that gives you more of a cut? Cuz even though I have most of what's available already, I still buy more - give to friends, etc..... I'd like to be able to support you more fully so you can keep writing more crack, I mean, "books".

Re: How do I give you more money?

Date: 2010-02-13 04:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Honestly, if you're buying a paper book, the best you can do is go to your local favorite bookstore and do what you do best :)

Authors (for now, at least) get a percentage of the cover price on each sale (as I said to another poster, above, in the case of mass market paperbacks, we get 8% of the $7.99 stamped on the cover). That's the same piece of the action for the writer, whether you buy from Uncle Hugo or from B&N.

Date: 2010-02-13 10:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] seabat4.livejournal.com
How does this work for an anthology, such as Low Port? Does everyone in the book get $0.63?

Cathy

Date: 2010-02-13 10:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
Nope. Everybody in the book shares the sixty-three cents -- or whatever.

Say that the anthology earns a whole buck in royalties every time one is sold. In the case of Low Port, there was a 21-way split (20 contributors and the editor). So, for each buck taken in, each author/editor got four-point-something cents.

Date: 2010-02-14 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] gilraen2.livejournal.com
so what you are trying to tell us is that your 500 acre estate is in the middle of the gobi desert with no water, no roads, no internet, and the taxes are higher than the rent you charge the nomads to put up their yurts.

Date: 2010-02-15 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] orlacarey.livejournal.com
But but but...Richard Castle (from the TV show Castle lives in a penthouse in New York and has so much money he can't spend it all...and he only writes one book a year. Obviously all writers make crazy amounts of money that I can only dream of

(sarcasm off)

Seriously, thanks for writing this. I keep telling people that authors don't make as much as you would think.

I remember back when I was in High School I worked in the library that an author used occasionally. When I found out who she was I mentioned how much I was looking forward to reading her next book but that I had to wait for the paperback. Her response was something like "that's okay I don't need the $0.25 I'd get if you bought the hardback." That has always stuck with me as an idea of what how much money authors are NOT making

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