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Hey, there's going to be a(nother) remake of The Three Musketeers. With a sword-fighting Queen leaping from the balcony of Versailles in court dress in order to take part in a melee. Oh! And an airship. Um, what?

All in Glorious Three-Dee so you're right there in the middle, though without a sword, because, presumably, the audience of this film will have no honor to defend.

Does that seem mean-spirited? Here, judge for yourself

This will make the fourth remake of The Three Musketeers since I started paying attention to them. For me, the definitive version is of course the York-Reed-Finley-Chamberlain 1973 extravaganza. Yeah, I know. What can I say? I was 21 and in love.

Then we had the Truly Awful 1993 edition with all the Hot Young Studs of The Moment -- Kiefer Sutherland, Charlie Sheen, &c, which not only Made No Sense, completely subverted the text when it did, and also had lousy swordfights.

Then in 2001 there was The Musketeer, which made the 1993 edition look like a work of art.

You'd think they'd stop trying, since the editions keep getting worse, but I guess the lure of a free! story! from a dead author is too great to resist.

Date: 2011-03-27 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] liadan-m.livejournal.com
See, I liked the Disney version, even though it did bad things to the text. It was the epitome of Disneyfied, and I could handle it in that spirit. (besides, it was the first version I saw, before I had read Dumas.)

The Musketeer was just...well...we watch it in this parts for comic relief, because it's so bad we have to either laugh or cry. It was very much a part of the fad for wire-fu.

This? This looks to be trying to take advantage of the steampunk fad, and my oh my, they seem to have a gone a bit overboard. *fans* They try so hard, bless their money-grubbing hearts.

Date: 2011-03-27 01:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
The 1993 film has one redeeming moment: Our Heroes are in a coach. careening down a road in a forest, with the Cardinal's Guards in hot pursuit. Porthos pops up through a hatch in the coach roof, and addresses Athos (who is driving,) and D'Artagnan (who is holding on for dear life.)

Porthos: "The Cardinal keeps his coach well stocked. Would either of you care for a glass of wine?"

Athos (screaming): "Porthos! We're being chased by the Cardinal's Guards!"

Porthos (looking over his shoulder): "Why so we are! Something in a red, then." [disappears back into interior of coach]

Beyond that, the 1993 version has nothing to recommend it.

The 1973 and 1974 versions directed by Richard Lester, though: In addition to Michael York, Oliver Reed, Frank Finlay, and Richard Chamberlain, we have: Charlton Heston in the best role of his later years as Richelieu; Faye Dunaway being murderously beautiful as Milady DeWinter; Raquel Welch doing physical comedy and doing it well (who'd have imagined it?) A triumph on all levels, it was.

There is a little-known third film with the majority of the 1973/1974 cast, released in the US on video as "The Return of the Musketeers," and again with Richard Lester directing a George MacDonald Fraser screenplay, this time based on Dumas' novel Twenty Years After. Not quite as good a film as the originals, but then, neither was the Dumas sequel quite as good as the first D'Artagnan novel. Still, if one has the completist bug...
Edited Date: 2011-03-27 01:53 pm (UTC)

Date: 2011-03-27 01:53 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] ebenstone.livejournal.com
Maybe I'm wrong, but I like the way that looks. Can't say why, but I love me some anachronism.

I also loved the Disney version in the 90s. Believe it or not, kind of a seminal movie for me.

Date: 2011-03-27 03:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] otterb.livejournal.com
I also adore the 1973 version. I was a senior in high school and swooned over York as D'Artagnan. Nor do I regret a moment of it.

Didn't go look at your link; 3D makes me queasy even if it's a GOOD movie. But I must admit there's a certain dark humor in imagining arming the theater audience with swords before they proceed to the 3D movie. Though they aren't in the original, and I like the original, it seems like the addition of airships and sword-fighting queens could still be a plus ... but jumping from the balcony in court dress seems highly unlikely to end in anything but landing badly though perhaps amusingly, fully entangled in court dress.

Date: 2011-03-27 04:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenmaggie.livejournal.com
I've done that, as a Tudor... a little less complicated in court garb, but only slightly;D

Date: 2011-03-27 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aspidites.livejournal.com
My god, it looks like the bastard child of Dumas and Steampunk, raised by Manga (or perhaps wolves...) I may need to see it just for the brain-stun effect, though the Richard Lester versions are still my faves and in no danger of being replaced by this... hybrid.

Date: 2011-03-27 03:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] queenmaggie.livejournal.com
I too loved the 73 version: It was broadcast on television the first time, while I was in college: I remember gathering in the floor's common room to watch it, with a huge jug of wine for us all (No one had tvs in their rooms then, nor were personal computers even dreamt of save for among my geek friends at MIT) That may have been the only tv I watched between 1976 and 1980.

Date: 2011-03-27 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pgranzeau.livejournal.com
My first Musketeer movie was the 1948 version, and had virtually every big name in Hollywood in it:

Lana Turner ... Lady de Winter
Gene Kelly ... D'Artagnan
June Allyson ... Constance
Van Heflin ... Athos
Angela Lansbury ... Queen Anne
Frank Morgan ... King Louis XIII
Vincent Price ... Richelieu
Keenan Wynn ... Planchet
John Sutton ... The Duke of Buckingham
Gig Young ... Porthos
Robert Coote ... Aramis

Kelly was a very athletic D'Artagnan, as I remembere.

Date: 2011-03-27 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] barsukthom.livejournal.com
Oh, my god... All it needs is Basil Rathbone to be beyond perfect!
(He probably was playing for a competing studio, le Sigh)

Date: 2011-03-27 11:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rolanni.livejournal.com
OK, that one goes in the Netflix list. Mmm Vincent Price as Richelieu

Date: 2011-03-27 05:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] saruby.livejournal.com
Wow! Sort of Three Musketeers meets Pirates of the Caribbean meets Steampunk. Whatever happened to the court intrigue plot?

Checked on IMDB. There are at least 31 versions of Three Musketeers (some animated, some tv series, some foreign language) dating back to 1903. Very popular story for adaptation.

Date: 2011-03-27 06:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] oneminutemonkey.livejournal.com
Just to be perverse, the definitive version for me was the '93 version you so dislike. I know they took extreme liberties with the text; I actually hadn't read the original until after I saw the movie. But still. It was ... fun. Fast-paced, daring, swashbuckling, energetic. The characters had great chemistry, the fight scenes were exciting, the quips witty and banter snappy. There was just something about the way the elements came together that resonated perfectly, and ever since, it's been one of my favorite movies.

Everyone has their comfort movies. Mine involves Oliver Platt looking confidently snarky. :>

Date: 2011-03-29 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] aspidites.livejournal.com
I do love me some Oliver Platt - I think it was a tossup whether I went to see the 1993 version for him or Kiefer Sutherland. But the film still paled in comparison to the 1970's pair.

I think that my two favorite Oliver Platt roles are as Hector Cyr in 1999's "Lake Placid", and as Paprizzio in the 2005 film version of "Casanova". I suspect I may have low tastes. :-)

Date: 2011-03-27 06:33 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Good God.
Or Sacre Bleu!
Not gonna see it - didn't see The Musketeer either.
3D is waaay over-rated and let's face it, they can't fit in
everything that's in the book, so why bother?

The only redeeming feature about the 1993 version was that they
got the 'frat boys with swords' attitude right.

I sometimes think Dumas invented snark.
Lauretta@ConstellationBooks

Date: 2011-03-27 06:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kalimeg.livejournal.com
Maybe they could ruin Scaramouche instead?

Date: 2011-03-28 02:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
Too late - Stewart Granger already did. I read the Rafael Sabatini novel long before I ever saw the movie, hence my low opinion of the film. My parents for some reason thought library books were less likely to corrupt my mind than were movies. Little did they know...

Date: 2011-03-27 10:43 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] djonn
This sounds scarily similar to the short-lived PAX-network series Young Blades, which featured d'Artagnan Jr. (son of the original) and several other Musketeers in a magic-and-steampunk version of period France. Our heroes included a girl!Musketeer (she'd disguised herself as a man to join up and avenge her father's murder), an inventor!Musketeer (think Artemus Gordon without the disguises), and Bruce Boxleitner as the rarely-seen Captain supposedly in charge of our merry band.

There was one episode where the inventor-guy built a submarine, and a bunch in which our heroes were working to foil the schemes of the evil Cardinal Mazarin, many involving a mysterious coven of some kind. Unfortunately, the scripts were neither campy enough to work as pure fantasy nor strong enough on character development to overcome the innate wackiness of most of the plots.

The new film shows distinct signs of going in much this same direction only with a much bigger SFX budget....

Date: 2011-03-27 10:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muirecan.livejournal.com
I too think the '73 version was the best and I was only 11 at the time. Still the '93 version made for a generally fun swashbuckling film if you ignored that it claimed to be the three musketeers.

This new version again looks like it might be amusing if you ignore the Three Musketeer's part of it. I can actually imagine a fun early steampunk swashbuckling story from the late 17'th century. I can't visualize it as the Three Musketeers though. Ah well something to rent and have popcorn with.
From: [identity profile] elgordo303.livejournal.com
This is pretty much my position ... just forget it's supposed to have anything to do with T3M and enjoy it for what it is. If I let myself care every time some Hollywood hack butchered a classic tale on film, I'd've gouged out my eyes by now.

musketeers

Date: 2011-03-27 10:51 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
The York/Reed, et al version is THE one and only , real and genuine,
fun without end version. All else is dreck, and dog hurlings. This does not sound like an improved version. What, are they going to stick in Keira Knightly?
Snort.

musketeers

Date: 2011-03-27 10:58 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
apologies, my indignation overcame me and I fogot to sign...

Nanette

I do concede the point that Oliver Platt was a grand thought for the later version, but I like him in anything.

Re: Porthos "The Pirate"

Date: 2011-04-01 02:51 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elgordo303.livejournal.com
I liked that bit myself.

Date: 2011-03-27 11:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attilathepbnun.livejournal.com
Ummm ... no. Queens don't do that sort of thing in public. Not French queens.
Unless, perhaps, they're Eleanor of Acquitaine ..

Date: 2011-03-28 02:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
And it's arguable that Eleanor of Aquitaine wasn't French at all, despite having been Queen of the place for a few years. The Duchy of Aquitaine, after all, was far larger and accrued far more wealth to its ruler than did the holdings of the King of France. She could afford to sneer at her former husband, especially after she married Henry Plantagenet and became Queen of England.

Medieval film trivia: what actor played Henry Plantagenet at two different periods in his life in two different films?

Date: 2011-03-30 12:28 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attilathepbnun.livejournal.com
Hee! You're certainly right about that! It is why the King of France nobbled her for his son when her father the Duke was barely cold in his tomb ...

Oh DRAT!! I should know this ... Richard Burton? No ... Drat! I shall research ...*goes to research*

Date: 2011-03-30 03:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
Well, I shan't offer you a hint, then.

Date: 2011-03-31 12:29 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] attilathepbnun.livejournal.com
Yes!! I have it!! Peter O'Toole, right? 'The Lion In Winter' and 'Henry II'!

Date: 2011-03-31 04:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] brock-tn.livejournal.com
Yes, but second film was Becket, where O'Toole played Henry II against Richard Burton playing Thomas a Becket.

I have had people try to tell me that the O'Toole in Lion in Winter cannot possibly be the same actor as the O'Toole in Becket.

O'toole ?

Date: 2011-04-01 03:00 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elgordo303.livejournal.com

No they are right ... the O'Toole in "Lion in Winter" is the one that was in "High Spirits" and the O'Toole in Becket is the one that was in "Creator" (snark!!!)

Seriously tho ... His latest foray onto the silver screen "Katherine of Alexandria" is currently in post-production.

Date: 2011-03-28 01:00 am (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
Burton from Montreal

Looking forward to the new 3 Musketeer movie. Looks like the core cadre from the Resident Evil movie franchise is onboard. The martial arts should be better any of the previous versions. Milla Jovovich doesn't really need a stunt double. As for the other aspects of the movie, we shall see.

FYI the director is Milla Jovovich's hubby.

Date: 2011-03-28 05:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] amm-me.livejournal.com
I make about one movie a year, so probably won't see it. Ah, well :-)

I was never able to get more than half a chapter into the the Dumas. But oddly I hung on every! single! repetitive! hilarious! word in Steven Brust's fantasy adaptation The Phoenix Guards.

Date: 2011-03-28 01:25 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] writerliz.livejournal.com
I admit to liking the 90s one, too, though I've actually read the books and am aware that it bears almost no resemblance to them. Mostly, I liked the 90s one for the eye candy. And the ear candy; Michael Wincott's voice never fails to give me a delighted shiver.

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